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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:06:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071115040610.GA23443@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200711151408.46030.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

* Rusty Russell (rusty@rustcorp.com.au) wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 November 2007 05:58:05 Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > x86 optimization of the immediate values which uses a movl with code
> > patching to set/unset the value used to populate the register used as
> > variable source.
> 
> For the record, I think the patching code gross overkill.
> 
> A stop_machine (or lightweight variant using IPI) would be sufficient and 
> vastly simpler.  Trying to patch NMI handlers while they're running is 
> already crazy.
> 

I wouldn't mind if it was limited to the code within do_nmi(), but then
we would have to accept potential GPF if

A - the NMI or MCE code calls any external kernel code (printk,
  notify_die, spin_lock/unlock, die_nmi, lapic_wd_event (perfctr code,
  calls printk too for debugging)...

B - we try to patch this code at the wrong moment

I could live with that, but I would prefer to have a solid, non flaky
solution. My goal is to help the kernel quality _improve_ rather than
deteriorate. Therefore, if one decides to use the immediate values to
leave dormant spinlock instrumentation in the kernel, I wouldn't want it
to have undesirable side-effects (GPF) when the instrumentation is
being enabled, as rare as it could be.

> I'd keep this version up your sleeve for they day when it's needed.
> 

If we choose to go this way, stop_machine would have to do a sync_core()
on every CPU before it reactivates interrupts for this to respect
Intel's errata. It's not just a matter of not executing the code while
it is modified; the issue here is that we must insure that we don't have
an incoherent trace cache.  So, as is, stop_machine would not respect
the errata.

Mathieu

> Rusty.

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
OpenPGP key fingerprint: 8CD5 52C3 8E3C 4140 715F  BA06 3F25 A8FE 3BAE 9A68

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-15  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13 18:58 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values (now with merged x86 support) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 2/8] Immediate Values - Kconfig menu in EMBEDDED Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 3/8] Immediate Values - Move Kprobes x86 restore_interrupt to kdebug.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 4/8] Add asm-compat.h to x86 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:05   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 20:37     ` [patch 4/8] Add asm-compat.h to x86 -> use new asm.h instead Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 19:24     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 19:45         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 20:40             ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 21:26               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 22:02                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 22:35                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14  0:34                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14  1:02                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14  1:44                         ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (update 2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14  2:58                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14 14:16                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 18:52                             ` [PATCH] Immediate Values x86 Optimization Declare Discarded Instruction Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 19:00                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14 19:16                                 ` [PATCH] Add __discard section to x86 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 19:33                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-15  3:08   ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization Rusty Russell
2007-11-15  4:06     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2007-11-15  4:45       ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-15  5:37         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-15 11:06           ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-16 14:03             ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (simplified) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-18 23:11               ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-19 14:28                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-19 23:06                   ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-20 17:02                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-19 19:15                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 6/8] Immediate Values - Powerpc Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 7/8] Immediate Values - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 8/8] Scheduler Profiling - Use Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers

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