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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:45:18 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200711151545.19359.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071115040610.GA23443@Krystal>

On Thursday 15 November 2007 15:06:10 Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Rusty Russell (rusty@rustcorp.com.au) wrote:
> > A stop_machine (or lightweight variant using IPI) would be sufficient and
> > vastly simpler.  Trying to patch NMI handlers while they're running is
> > already crazy.
>
> I wouldn't mind if it was limited to the code within do_nmi(), but then
> we would have to accept potential GPF if
>
> A - the NMI or MCE code calls any external kernel code (printk,
>   notify_die, spin_lock/unlock, die_nmi, lapic_wd_event (perfctr code,
>   calls printk too for debugging)...

Sure, but as I pointed out previously, such calls are already best effort.  
You can do very little safely from do_nmi(), and calling printk isn't one of 
them, nor is grabbing a spinlock (well, actually you could as long as it's 
*only* used by NMI handlers.  See any of those?).

> Therefore, if one decides to use the immediate values to
> leave dormant spinlock instrumentation in the kernel, I wouldn't want it
> to have undesirable side-effects (GPF) when the instrumentation is
> being enabled, as rare as it could be.

It's overengineered, since it's less likely than deadlock already.

> > I'd keep this version up your sleeve for they day when it's needed.
>
> If we choose to go this way, stop_machine would have to do a sync_core()
> on every CPU before it reactivates interrupts for this to respect
> Intel's errata.

Yes, I don't think stop_machine is actually what you want anyway, since you 
are happy to run in interrupt context.  An IPI-based scheme is probably 
better, and also has the side effect of iret doing the sync you need, IIUC.

Hope that clarifies,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-15  4:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13 18:58 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values (now with merged x86 support) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 2/8] Immediate Values - Kconfig menu in EMBEDDED Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 3/8] Immediate Values - Move Kprobes x86 restore_interrupt to kdebug.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 4/8] Add asm-compat.h to x86 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:05   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 20:37     ` [patch 4/8] Add asm-compat.h to x86 -> use new asm.h instead Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 19:24     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 19:45         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 19:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 20:40             ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 21:26               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-13 22:02                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 22:35                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14  0:34                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14  1:02                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14  1:44                         ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (update 2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14  2:58                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14 14:16                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 18:52                             ` [PATCH] Immediate Values x86 Optimization Declare Discarded Instruction Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 19:00                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-14 19:16                                 ` [PATCH] Add __discard section to x86 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-14 19:33                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-15  3:08   ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization Rusty Russell
2007-11-15  4:06     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-15  4:45       ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-11-15  5:37         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-15 11:06           ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-16 14:03             ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - x86 Optimization (simplified) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-18 23:11               ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-19 14:28                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-19 23:06                   ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-20 17:02                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-19 19:15                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 6/8] Immediate Values - Powerpc Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 7/8] Immediate Values - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-13 18:58 ` [patch 8/8] Scheduler Profiling - Use Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers

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