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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: CONFIG_IRQBALANCE for 64-bit x86 ?
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:37:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071120043742.GE6164@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071120042929.GD15227@1wt.eu>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 05:29:29AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:17:15PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 November 2007 15:12, Mark Lord wrote:
> > > On 32-bit x86, we have CONFIG_IRQBALANCE available,
> > > but not on 64-bit x86.  Why not?
> > >
> > > I ask, because this feature seems almost essential to obtaining
> > > reasonable latencies during heavy I/O with fast devices.
> > >
> > > My 32-bit Core2Duo MythTV box drops audio frames without it,
> > > but works perfectly *with* IRQBALANCE.
> > >
> > > My QuadCore box works very well in 32-bit mode with IRQBALANCE,
> > > but responsiveness sucks bigtime when run in 64-bit mode (no IRQBALANCE)
> > > during periods of multiple heavy I/O streams (USB flash drives).
> > >
> > > That's with both the 32 and 64 bit versions of Kubuntu Gutsy,
> > > so the software uses pretty much identical versions either way.
> > >
> > > As near as I can tell, when IRQBALANCE is not configured,
> > > all I/O device interrupts go to CPU#0.
> > >
> > > I don't think our CPU scheduler takes that into account when assigning
> > > tasks to CPUs, so anything sent to CPU0 runs with very high latencies.
> > >
> > > Or something like that.
> > >
> > > Why no IRQ_BALANCE in 64-bit mode ?
> > 
> > For that matter, I'd like to know why it has been decided that the
> > best place for IRQ balancing is in userspace. It should be in kernel
> > IMO, and it would probably allow better power saving, performance,
> > fairness, etc. if it were to be integrated with the task balancer as
> > well.
> 
> Agreed. When userspace has something to do with the way IRQs are
> delivered, it's going to smell as bad as micro-kernels...

The next step to a micro-kernel would then be hardware drivers and file 
systems in userspace?  ;-)

> Willy

cu
Adrian

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-20  4:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-20  4:12 CONFIG_IRQBALANCE for 64-bit x86 ? Mark Lord
2007-11-20  4:15 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-11-20  4:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20  4:29   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-20  4:37     ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-11-20  5:24       ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20  5:28         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20  5:37   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-20  7:37     ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20 14:47       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-20 15:43         ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20 19:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-20 20:02             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 21:58               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-20 23:17                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-22  7:54             ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-23 13:09               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-25 10:03                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20 15:47         ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 15:52           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 16:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-20 16:10               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 18:42               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 22:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 23:22           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-20 23:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 23:33               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 23:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 23:50                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-21  0:07                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-21  0:20                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-21  0:36                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-21  0:47                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-21  2:48                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-21  2:59                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 23:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 19:17   ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-21  2:22 Walt H

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