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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:02:36 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200711301402.36851.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071129185144.209108dd@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Friday 30 November 2007 13:51, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:46:22 +1100
>
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > > Todays kernel has a different behavior somewhat (and before people
> > > scream "regression"; sched_yield() behavior isn't really specified
> > > and doesn't make any sense at all, whatever you get is what you
> > > get.... it's pretty much an insane defacto behavior that is
> > > incredibly tied to which decisions the scheduler makes how, and no
> > > app can depend on that
> >
> > It is a performance regression. Is there any reason *not* to use the
> > "compat" yield by default? As you say, for SCHED_OTHER tasks, yield
> > can do almost anything. We may as well do something that isn't a
> > regression..
>
> it just makes OTHER tests/benchmarks regress.... this is one of those
> things where you just can't win.

OK, which ones? Because java is slightly important...


> > > in any way. In fact, I've proposed to make sched_yield() just do an
> > > msleep(1)... that'd be closer to what sched_yield is supposed to do
> > > standard wise than any of the current behaviors .... ;_
> >
> > What makes you say that? IIRC of all the things that sched_yeild can
> > do, it is not allowed to block. So this is about the only thing that
> > will break the standard...
>
> sched_yield OF COURSE can block.. it's a schedule call after all!

In unix, blocking ~= removed from runqueue, no?

OF COURSE it is allowed to cooperatively schedule another task, but
I don't see why you think it should so obviously be allowed to block
/ sleep.

It breaks the basically only invariant of sched_yeild in that the
task will no longer run when there is nothing else running.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-30  3:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-27  9:33 sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-27 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-27 22:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30  2:46   ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30  2:51     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30  3:02       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-11-30  3:15     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30  3:29       ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30  4:32         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30 10:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03  4:27           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03  8:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03  9:17               ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03  9:35                 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03  9:57                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 10:15                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 10:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 11:02                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 11:37                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 17:04                           ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 17:37                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 19:12                               ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 19:56                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 21:39                                   ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 21:48                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 21:57                                       ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:05                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 22:18                                           ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:33                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04  0:18                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04  0:30                                           ` David Schwartz
2007-12-04  2:09                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04  1:02                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03  9:41               ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:17                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03  9:29           ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:05             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04  6:40               ` Zhang, Yanmin

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