From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: "J.A. Magall??n" <jamagallon@ono.com>
Cc: Lo??c Greni?? <loic.grenie@gmail.com>,
Ben.Crowhurst@stellatravel.co.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:31:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071201003119.GB8181@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071201001950.11100a32@werewolf>
On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 12:19:50AM +0100, J.A. Magall??n wrote:
> An vtable in C++ takes exactly the same space that the function
> table pointer present in every driver nowadays... and probably
> the virtual method call that C++ does itself with
>
> thing->do_something(with,this)
>
> like
> push thing
> push with
> push this
> call THING_vtable+indexof(do_something) // constants at compile time
This is not what vtables are. Think for a minute - all codepaths arriving
to that point in your code will pick the address to call from the same
location. Either the contents of that location is constant (in which case
you could bloody well call it directly in the first place) *or* it has to
somehow be reassigned back and forth, according to the value of this. The
former is dumb, the latter - outright insane.
The contents of vtables is constant. The whole point of that thing is
to deal with the situations where we _can't_ tell which derived class
this ->do_something() is from; if we could tell which vtable it is at
compile time, we wouldn't need to bother at all.
It's a tradeoff - we pay the extra memory access (fetch vtable pointer, then
fetch method from vtable) for not having to store a slew of method pointers
in each instance of base class. But the extra memory access is very much
there. It can be further optimized away if you have several method calls
for the same object next to each other (then vtable can be picked once),
but it's still done at runtime.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-01 0:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-29 12:14 Kernel Development & Objective-C Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 10:02 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2007-11-30 10:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:54 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-30 14:21 ` David Newall
2007-11-30 23:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01 0:05 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-12-01 18:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-01 18:18 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03 1:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 22:52 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 10:29 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-11-30 11:16 ` Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 11:36 ` Karol Swietlicki
2007-11-30 14:37 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-08 8:54 ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-30 23:19 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 23:53 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-12-01 0:31 ` Al Viro [this message]
2007-12-01 0:34 ` Al Viro
2007-12-01 1:09 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-01 19:55 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 17:54 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-04 21:10 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 21:24 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 11:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2007-11-30 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:26 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-30 18:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-30 19:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-01 20:03 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:01 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 5:12 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 9:50 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 11:46 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 11:50 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 21:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-03 21:39 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-03 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 21:47 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-04 22:20 ` Diego Calleja
2007-12-05 10:59 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-12-04 21:07 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 22:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-05 17:05 ` Micro vs macro optimizations (was: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C) Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 12:35 ` Kernel Development & Objective-C Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 12:44 ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 16:28 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-04 17:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-05 10:31 ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-01 19:59 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-03 16:53 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:00 ` Chris Snook
2007-12-01 9:50 ` David Newall
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