From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
Ben Crowhurst <Ben.Crowhurst@stellatravel.co.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:50:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071203095022.GA28560@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47539030.10600@argo.co.il>
> Even these (with the exception of the page fault path) are hardly "we
> care about a single instruction" material suggested above. Even with a
With 10Gbit/s ethernet working you start to care about every cycle.
Similar with highend routing or in some latency sensitive network
applications (e.g. in HPC). Another simple noticeable case is Unix
sockets and your X server communication.
And there are some special cases where block IO is also pretty critical.
A popular one is TPC-* benchmarking, but there are also others and it
looks likely in the future that this will become more critical
as block devices become faster (e.g. highend SSDs)
> The real benefits aren't in keeping close to the metal, but in high
> level optimizations. Ironically, these are easier when the code is a
> little more abstracted. You can add quite a lot of instructions if it
> allows you not to do some of the I/O at all.
While that's partly true -- cache misses are good for a lot of cycles --
it is not the whole truth and at some point raw code efficiency matters
too.
For example there are some CPUs who are relatively slow at indirect
function calls and there are actually cases where this can be measured.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-03 9:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-29 12:14 Kernel Development & Objective-C Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 10:02 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2007-11-30 10:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-11-30 10:54 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-30 14:21 ` David Newall
2007-11-30 23:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01 0:05 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-12-01 18:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-01 18:18 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03 1:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-11-30 22:52 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 10:29 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-11-30 11:16 ` Ben Crowhurst
2007-11-30 11:36 ` Karol Swietlicki
2007-11-30 14:37 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-08 8:54 ` Rogelio M. Serrano Jr.
2007-11-30 23:19 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 23:53 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-12-01 0:31 ` Al Viro
2007-12-01 0:34 ` Al Viro
2007-12-01 1:09 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-01 19:55 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 17:54 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-04 21:10 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 21:24 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-11-30 11:37 ` Matti Aarnio
2007-11-30 14:34 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:26 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-30 18:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-30 19:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-12-01 20:03 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:01 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 5:12 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 9:50 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-12-03 11:46 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 11:50 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-03 21:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-03 21:39 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-03 21:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 21:47 ` J.A. Magallón
2007-12-04 22:20 ` Diego Calleja
2007-12-05 10:59 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-12-04 21:07 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-04 22:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-05 17:05 ` Micro vs macro optimizations (was: Re: Kernel Development & Objective-C) Avi Kivity
2007-12-03 12:35 ` Kernel Development & Objective-C Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 12:44 ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-03 16:28 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-04 17:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-05 10:31 ` Gilboa Davara
2007-12-01 19:59 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-02 19:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-03 16:53 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-11-30 15:00 ` Chris Snook
2007-12-01 9:50 ` David Newall
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