From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:17:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071203101702.GB30050@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1196674869.25646.142.camel@ymzhang>
* Zhang, Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > as far as desktop apps such as firefox goes, the exact opposite is
> > true. We had two choices basically: either a "more agressive" yield
> > than before or a "less agressive" yield. Desktop apps were reported
> > to hurt from a "more agressive" yield (firefox for example gets some
> > pretty bad delays),
>
> Why not to change source codes of firefox? [...]
because we care a heck of a lot more about a widely used open-source
package's default "user experience" than we care about closed-source
volanomark scores...
do you realize the absurdity of that suggestion: in essence we'd punish
firefox _because it is open-source and can be changed_. So basically
firefox would get a more preferential treatment if it was closed-source
and could not be changed? That's totally backwards.
> If the sched_compat_yield=0, the sys_sched_yield almost does nothing
> but returns, so firefox could just do not call sched_yield. I assume
> 'sched_compat_yield=0' ~ no_call_to_sched_yield.
>
> It's easier to delete calls to sched_yield in applications than to
> tune calls to sched_yield.
We are not at all worried about punishing silly benchmark behavior - and
volanomark's call to Thread.yield (if that's indeed what is happening -
could you try to trace it to make sure?) is outright silly. There are
other chatroom benchmarks such as hackbench.c and hackbench_pth.c that i
test frequently, and they are not affected by any yield details. (and
even then it's still taken with a grain of salt - remember dbench)
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-03 10:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-27 9:33 sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-27 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-27 22:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30 2:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 2:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30 3:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 3:15 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30 3:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-30 4:32 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-11-30 10:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 4:27 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 8:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 9:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 9:35 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 10:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 10:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 11:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 11:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 17:04 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 17:37 ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03 19:56 ` Chris Friesen
2007-12-03 21:39 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 21:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 21:57 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 22:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03 22:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 0:18 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04 0:30 ` David Schwartz
2007-12-04 2:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-04 1:02 ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-03 9:41 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:17 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-12-03 9:29 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2007-12-03 10:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 6:40 ` Zhang, Yanmin
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