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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make WARN_ON/WARN_ON_ONCE no-ops when CONFIG_BUG is off
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:52:18 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071215055218.GM19691@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071215041659.GB25324@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:16:59PM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 12:02:46PM -0600, Matt Mackall wrote:
> >
> > I added CONFIG_BUG, and I think the current behavior is correct. As
> > you've noticed, we have to evaluate condition, it may have
> > side-effects. And if code does:
> > 
> > 	/* this indicates a driver bug, report and fail gracefully */
> > 	if (WARN_ON(val == NULL))
> > 		return -EFAULT;
> 
> That's exactly the sort of use I had in mind :) I'm actually the
> one who added the ability to use WARN_ON inside an if clause.
> 
> Just as the case of a BUG_ON, a WARN_ON should never occur in
> practice, unless there is a bug which the code is not aware of.

Agreed.

> As such we want it to go away completely if CONFIG_BUG is off.

No. The code as written above should reduce to:

	if (val == NULL)
		return -EFAULT;

If I hadn't wanted to return -EFAULT in this case, I would have just written:

	WARN_ON(val == NULL);

I don't want code that was running safely (ie returning -EFAULT) to
start crashing the system just because I've, say, disabled printk.
That's creating an obnoxious heisenbug.

> > ..we surely want it to continue returning -EFAULT, regardless of
> > whether we log it, no? What use case did you have in mind?
> 
> If you're using it for a scenario which is known to actually
> occur, then some other mechanism should be chosen in place of
> WARN_ON.

Then I kindly submit that you should instead withdraw the code that
allows you to use WARN_ON in a condition in the first place.

Note that Dave Jones is currently poking at making WARN_ON
out-of-line, so you're liable to collide with him.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-15  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-14 13:27 [PATCH] Make WARN_ON/WARN_ON_ONCE no-ops when CONFIG_BUG is off Herbert Xu
2007-12-14 18:02 ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-15  4:16   ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15  5:52     ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2007-12-15  6:04       ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15  6:12         ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-15  6:31           ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15  6:52         ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15 17:54           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-15  6:45       ` Dave Jones
2007-12-15  6:22   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-15  6:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-15  6:34   ` Herbert Xu
2007-12-15 18:12     ` Matt Mackall

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