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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:04:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080102100436.GB4389@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080101210734.03414931@the-village.bc.nu>


* Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > udelay is supposed to be reliable. If someone runs a new kernel and 
> > has no TSC (which might happen even on modern hardware or with 
> > notsc) _and_ finds that udelay is not calibrated well enough then 
> > that's a kernel bug we want to fix.
> 
> You miss the point entirely. The delay is in bus clocks not CPU 
> clocks, not tsc clocks not PIT clocks, and it is permitted to vary by 
> a factor of two. So you'll worst case halve the speed of network 
> packet up/download even if your udelay is accurate.

ok, you are right. How about we go with one of your suggestions: rename 
the API family to isa_*_p() in the affected ISA drivers? That makes it 
perfectly clear that this is an ISA related historic quirk that we just 
cannot properly emulate in an acceptable fashion. It will also make the 
least amount of changes to these truly historic drivers.

The main maintenance thing we are interested in is to have no subsequent 
new uses of this API and to eliminate these accesses from modern 
hardware - and naming it clearly 'ISA' and making it dependent on 
CONFIG_ISA would likely achieve that purpose.

oh, another thing: there are 100+ mails in this thread while there are 
only 3 mails in the thread that lists 61 not-yet-fixed-in-2.6.24 
regressions:

|  Listed regressions statistics:
|
|  Date          Total  Pending  Unresolved
|  ----------------------------------------
|  Today           139       38          23

which is a sad proportion of attention :-/

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-02 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 273+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-11-12 16:55                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22                         ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:57                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19                 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15  1:14                 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14  2:59                 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14  7:49                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14  9:45                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15  3:04                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  5:45                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15  8:08                             ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15  8:13                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26                                   ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  0:05                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15                                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17  1:43                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  3:35                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43                                                       ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02                                                           ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-01-02 13:11                                                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02  0:23                                                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35                                                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:25                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:55                                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02  1:00                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  2:27                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27                                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33                                                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  4:09                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38                                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  1:48                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  1:53                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  1:56                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:04                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16  0:23                                     ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26                               ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16  9:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18  0:06                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15  7:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15  7:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  9:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17  1:51                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15  2:13                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  2:20                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30  3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30  9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  0:23                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22                     ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02  3:01                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10         ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31  1:03             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  1:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29             ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29             ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 17:50       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 18:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:56               ` Alan Cox
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2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel

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