From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755895AbYAFM7a (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:59:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751480AbYAFM7W (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:59:22 -0500 Received: from smtp4.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.153.38]:57413 "EHLO smtp4.pp.htv.fi" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750792AbYAFM7V (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Jan 2008 07:59:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:58:49 +0200 From: Adrian Bunk To: Stefan Richter Cc: Randy Dunlap , Sam Ravnborg , Al Boldi , linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Brownell , Greg KH , Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] USB Kconfig: Select SCSI for USB Mass Storage support Message-ID: <20080106125849.GE2082@does.not.exist> References: <20080105113024.209485f5.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <20080105210330.GC22232@does.not.exist> <20080105210940.GA10302@uranus.ravnborg.org> <47801126.7020807@oracle.com> <20080105234540.GG22232@does.not.exist> <47802249.9010107@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20080106005807.GH22232@does.not.exist> <4780BBAA.7020908@s5r6.in-berlin.de> <20080106115941.GB2082@does.not.exist> <4780CA63.50703@s5r6.in-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4780CA63.50703@s5r6.in-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:32:35PM +0100, Stefan Richter wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:29:46PM +0100, Stefan Richter wrote: > >> Adrian Bunk wrote: > >>> Duplicating the structure in each UI should be an improvement? > >>> > >>> Hardly. > >> What do you mean? > ... > > You said: > > "The graphic UIs including menuconfig currently work best for tree-like > > dependencies" > > > > That's true. > > > > And the dependency graph can't be a tree. > > > > Currently, defining the ordered tree the UIs present to the user is done > > _once_ in kconfig. > > > > Our UIs either show this tree as a tree or go through the tree > > depth-first and present the options in this order to the user. > > All correct. > > > And I think your main misunderstanding is that you think the > > dependencies alone would carry enough information for allowing an UI to > > present the options in a way not worse than it's currently done - that's > > simply not true. > > No, the dependency relationships alone do not carry enough information. > I am aware of that. > > For example, we certainly want groupings or tags such as "option is > (directly) related to USB hardware", "filesystems related option", > "option is for debugging purposes" etc.. We currently provide hints > like this via the 'menu' keyword. We also want help texts per option > and per group of options. > > However, there is ultimately not a single most logical way to group > options. There could be groups which would overlap. The grouping per > 'menu' provides only one fixed non-overlapping grouping. I don't think your implementation would result in a better UI. But I know that have a tendency of being overly pessimistic and ideas I didn't like often turn out to be good, so feel free to prove me wrong. > Stefan Richter cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed