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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michal Schmidt <mschmidt@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>,
	Satoru Takeuchi <takeuchi_satoru@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kthread: always create the kernel threads with normal priority
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:09:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080107110904.GB28481@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080107022513.3ac05734.akpm@linux-foundation.org>


> > This causes a practical problem. When a runaway real-time task is 
> > eating 100% CPU and we attempt to put the CPU offline, sometimes we 
> > block while waiting for the creation of the highest-priority 
> > "kstopmachine" thread.

sched-devel.git has new mechanisms against runaway RT tasks. There's a 
new RLIMIT_RTTIME rlimit - if an RT task exceeds that rlimit then it is 
sent SIGXCPU.

there's also a new group scheduling extension that is driven via a 
sysctl:

  /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_ratio

this way if a user has a runaway RT task, other users (and root) will 
still have some CPU time left. (in Peter's latest patchset that is 
replaced via rt_runtime_ns - but this is a detail)

so instead of the never-ending arms race of kernel thread priorities 
against RT task priorities, we are going towards making RT tasks safer 
on a policy level.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-07 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-17 22:43 [PATCH] kthread: run kthreadd with max priority SCHED_FIFO Michal Schmidt
2007-12-17 23:00 ` Jon Masters
2007-12-22  9:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-22  9:52   ` Jon Masters
2007-12-22 10:11     ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-22 10:18       ` Jon Masters
2007-12-22 10:39     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-12-22 10:52       ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-22 11:21         ` Jon Masters
2007-12-23  8:50         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-01-07 10:06   ` [PATCH] kthread: always create the kernel threads with normal priority Michal Schmidt
2008-01-07 10:25     ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-07 11:09       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-01-07 17:29         ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-07 17:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-08  9:54           ` Michal Schmidt
2008-01-07 13:18       ` Michal Schmidt
2008-01-08 16:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-07 11:22     ` Remy Bohmer
2008-01-07 13:10       ` Michal Schmidt
2008-01-07 15:53         ` Remy Bohmer

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