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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	"K. Prasad" <prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, ego@in.ibm.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Markers Implementation for Preempt RCU Boost Tracing
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:36:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080114193653.GA20774@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801140824430.2806@woody.linux-foundation.org>

* Linus Torvalds (torvalds@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > 
> > We would have to figure out if enabling -freorder-blocks-and-partition
> > makes sense kernel-wide.
> 
> Last I saw, it generates crappy code, with lots more jumps back and forth, 
> and the image just blows up.
> 
> There's a reason we use -Os, and that's that small footprint I$ is 
> generally more important than fake compiler optimizations that don't 
> actually help except on microbenchmarks where everything fits in the 
> cache.
> 
> Taking a branch instruction from two bytes to five is almost always a 
> mistake, unless you *know* that the code it jumps to will effectively 
> never be done at all (which is not necessarily the case at all). It also 
> makes debugging much nastier, because if now things like backtraces 
> probably look like crap too!
> 
> Don't go there. The *best* we can do is to just use the optimizations that 
> generate good-looking code that humans can read. The rest is just compiler 
> masturbation.
> 

I agree that turning this flag on does not seem like an interesting
solution.

Well, I wonder how important this issue of not sharing L1 instruction
cachelines with scheduler code is. If we care as much about it as Ingo
states, I wonder why we leave about 22 BUG() macros in sched.c
(calculated from the number of ud2 instructions generated on x86), which
adds up to 7 bytes at the end of many scheduler functions (7 bytes
coming from ud2, jmp and .p2align on x86).

And 22 markers in sched.c is already much more than needed. I actually
propose only 5 in my patchset.

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
OpenPGP key fingerprint: 8CD5 52C3 8E3C 4140 715F  BA06 3F25 A8FE 3BAE 9A68

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-14 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-31  6:09 [PATCH 2/2] Markers Implementation for Preempt RCU Boost Tracing K. Prasad
2007-12-31 10:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02  3:31   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-02 12:47     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 16:33       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-02 17:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 17:56           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-02 20:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-07 18:59           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-13 18:07             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-14 15:35               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-14 16:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-14 19:36                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2008-01-02 23:49         ` Nicholas Miell
2008-01-03 19:24   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-03 16:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-04 10:58   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2008-01-05 12:46     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-07 19:43       ` K. Prasad
2008-01-07 19:50       ` [PATCH 0/2] Markers Implementation for RCU Tracing - Ver II K. Prasad
2008-02-18 12:21         ` Jan Kiszka
2008-02-18 12:47         ` Jan Kiszka
2008-02-18 19:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-18 20:41             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-02-19 16:27             ` Markers: multi-probe locking fun (was: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Markers Implementation for RCU Tracing - Ver II) Jan Kiszka
2008-02-19 20:33               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-02-19 22:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-19 22:32                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-02-19 21:54               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-19 22:03                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-02-19 22:19                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-01-07 19:55       ` [PATCH 1/2] Markers Implementation for RCU Preempt Tracing - Ver II K. Prasad
2008-01-07 19:56       ` [PATCH 2/2] Markers Implementation for Preempt RCU Boost " K. Prasad
2008-01-04 12:09   ` __get_cpu_var() called from a preempt-unsafe context in __rcu_preempt_unboost() ? Gautham R Shenoy
2008-01-04 13:48     ` Steven Rostedt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-29 18:46 [PATCH 2/2] Markers Implementation for Preempt RCU Boost Tracing K. Prasad

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