From: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 16/22 -v2] add get_monotonic_cycles
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:49:23 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080116174923.GA7233@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080116170011.GA3651@Krystal>
* Mathieu Desnoyers (mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca) wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt (rostedt@goodmis.org) wrote:
> >
....
> >
>
> > One thing I want to clear up. The major difference between this
> > latency_tracer and LTTng is what we consider fast paths. The latency
> > tracer is recording things like enabling and disabling interrupts, preempt
> > count changes, or simply profiling all function calls. Those are what I
> > consider fast paths. The slow path WRT the latency_tracer are things like
> > context switches. This is why I don't have a problem with copying the
> > comm at context switch time. Because that _is_ a slow path for the latency
> > tracer.
>
> LTTng hooks in the lockdep tracer to trace irq on/off, spinlocks, etc..
> in flight recorder mode, we have nothing to write to disk and therefore
> we can handle very frequent events. We then do the analysis off-line
> using the last MB written in the buffers. The advantage is that the
> kernel dumbly writes data to a buffer : we therefore move the complexity
> to user-space.
>
> I agree that some kind of tracing, like the one you are doing, might be
> done more efficiently if you do a first clever analysis phase directly
> in the kernel without writing the raw high event rate data in memory
> buffers. However, I believe that it would be more powerful if we combine
> the two approaches rather than trying to do everything in or out of the
> kernel. LTTng could provide the comm names, priorities, etc, and your
> tracer could provide the top X list of processes that had a bad
> behavior. It would mean that the complete overall information would be
> made available after a post-processing phase done in an analysis tool
> like LTTV, but I don't see any problem with it.
>
Just to expand a bit on the design-side of my proposal :
Your module would create "profiles" based on the hooks called. If we
take the interrupt on/off for example, it would be called by lockdep and
could keep a table of the top X instructions that disables interrupts
for a long time. (it's just an example, you could want to save the pid
instead...)
Then, whenever a "profile dump" is triggered, you would simply have to
send the current state of your profile to lttng with something like :
struct irq_latency_table {
void *ip;
cycles_t time;
};
/*
* Make sure only one profile at a time is written to the trace for the
* whole system.
*/
static DECLARE_MUTEX(latency_profile_mutex);
static struct irq_latency_table latency_table[NR_ENTRIES];
void irq_latency_dump_profile(void)
{
int i;
char namebuf[KSYM_NAME_LEN];
mutex_lock(&latency_profile_mutex);
trace_mark(irq_latency_dump_begin, MARK_NOARGS);
for (i = 0; i < NR_ENTRIES; i++) {
sprint_symbol(namebuf, (unsigned long)latency_table[i].ip);
trace_mark(irq_latency_entry, "ip %p symbol %s time %llu",
latency_table[i].ip, namebuf,
(unsigned long long)latency_table[i].time);
}
trace_mark(irq_latency_dump_end, MARK_NOARGS);
mutex_unlock(&latency_profile_mutex);
}
You can then create a LTTV module that will format your nice output each
time a profile dump is encountered.
By doing this, your specialized profile generator would only have to
hook into the irq on/off events to gather the information it needs,
nothing more. I think that would trim the code size and the complexity
of your module by an interesting factor.
Note that I could optimize the way I currently deal with symbols by not
having to dump them in the trace, but since it's only for low rate
events, this optimization has a low priority on my todo list.
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-16 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-09 23:29 [RFC PATCH 00/22 -v2] mcount and latency tracing utility -v2 Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 01/22 -v2] Add basic support for gcc profiler instrumentation Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 18:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2008-01-10 19:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 18:28 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-10 19:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 02/22 -v2] Annotate core code that should not be traced Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 03/22 -v2] x86_64: notrace annotations Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 04/22 -v2] add notrace annotations to vsyscall Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 05/22 -v2] add notrace annotations for NMI routines Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 06/22 -v2] mcount based trace in the form of a header file library Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 07/22 -v2] tracer add debugfs interface Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 08/22 -v2] mcount tracer output file Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 09/22 -v2] mcount tracer show task comm and pid Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 10/22 -v2] Add a symbol only trace output Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 11/22 -v2] Reset the tracer when started Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 12/22 -v2] separate out the percpu date into a percpu struct Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 13/22 -v2] handle accurate time keeping over long delays Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 0:00 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 0:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 19:54 ` Tony Luck
2008-01-10 20:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 20:41 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 20:29 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 20:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-10 21:25 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 22:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-10 22:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 22:51 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 23:05 ` john stultz
2008-01-10 21:33 ` [RFC PATCH 13/22 -v2] handle accurate time keeping over longdelays Luck, Tony
2008-01-10 0:19 ` [RFC PATCH 13/22 -v2] handle accurate time keeping over long delays john stultz
2008-01-10 0:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 14/22 -v2] time keeping add cycle_raw for actual incrementation Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 15/22 -v2] initialize the clock source to jiffies clock Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 16/22 -v2] add get_monotonic_cycles Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 3:28 ` Daniel Walker
2008-01-15 21:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-15 22:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-15 22:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-15 22:08 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 3:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 13:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 14:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 15:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 15:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 15:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 17:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 17:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2008-01-16 19:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 20:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 20:45 ` Tim Bird
2008-01-16 20:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 20:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 20:37 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-17 21:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18 22:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-18 22:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-18 23:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-19 3:36 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-19 3:55 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-19 4:23 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-19 15:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-19 3:32 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-01-16 18:01 ` Tim Bird
2008-01-16 22:36 ` john stultz
2008-01-16 22:51 ` john stultz
2008-01-16 23:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 2:28 ` john stultz
2008-01-17 2:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 2:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 3:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 3:21 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-01-17 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 4:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 4:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 4:14 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 15:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 2:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-16 23:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-16 23:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 0:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-01-17 0:33 ` john stultz
2008-01-17 2:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 1:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 1:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-17 2:20 ` john stultz
2008-01-17 2:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 17/22 -v2] Add timestamps to tracer Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 18/22 -v2] Sort trace by timestamp Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 19/22 -v2] speed up the output of the tracer Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 20/22 -v2] Add latency_trace format tor tracer Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 3:41 ` Daniel Walker
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 21/22 -v2] Split out specific tracing functions Steven Rostedt
2008-01-09 23:29 ` [RFC PATCH 22/22 -v2] Trace irq disabled critical timings Steven Rostedt
2008-01-10 3:58 ` Daniel Walker
2008-01-10 14:45 ` Steven Rostedt
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