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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] ext3: per-process soft-syncing data=ordered mode
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:20:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200802052220.33135.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080205150705.GC25464@duck.suse.cz>

Jan Kara wrote:
> On Tue 05-02-08 10:07:44, Al Boldi wrote:
> > Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Sat 02-02-08 00:26:00, Al Boldi wrote:
> > > > Chris Mason wrote:
> > > > > Al, could you please compare the write throughput from vmstat for
> > > > > the data=ordered vs data=writeback runs?  I would guess the
> > > > > data=ordered one has a lower overall write throughput.
> > > >
> > > > That's what I would have guessed, but it's actually going up 4x fold
> > > > for mysql from 559mb to 2135mb, while the db-size ends up at 549mb.
> > >
> > >   So you say we write 4-times as much data in ordered mode as in
> > > writeback mode. Hmm, probably possible because we force all the dirty
> > > data to disk when committing a transation in ordered mode (and don't
> > > do this in writeback mode). So if the workload repeatedly dirties the
> > > whole DB, we are going to write the whole DB several times in ordered
> > > mode but in writeback mode we just keep the data in memory all the
> > > time. But this is what you ask for if you mount in ordered mode so I
> > > wouldn't consider it a bug.
> >
> > Ok, maybe not a bug, but a bit inefficient.  Check out this workload:
> >
> > sync;
> >
> > while :; do
> >   dd < /dev/full > /mnt/sda2/x.dmp bs=1M count=20
> >   rm -f /mnt/sda2/x.dmp
> >   usleep 10000
> > done
:
:
> > Do you think these 12mb redundant writeouts could be buffered?
>
>   No, I don't think so. At least when I run it, number of blocks written
> out varies which confirms that these 12mb are just data blocks which
> happen to be in the file when transaction commits (which is every 5
> seconds).

Just a thought, but maybe double-buffering can help?

> And to satisfy journaling gurantees in ordered mode you must
> write them so you really have no choice...

Making this RFC rather useful.

What we need now is an implementation, which should be easy.

Maybe something on these lines:

<< in ext3_ordered_write_end >>
  if (current->soft_sync & 1)
    return ext3_writeback_write_end;

<< in ext3_ordered_writepage >>
  if (current->soft_sync & 2)
    return ext3_writeback_writepage;

<< in ext3_sync_file >>
  if (current->soft_sync & 4)
    return ret;

<< in ext3_file_write >>
  if (current->soft_sync & 8)
    return ret;

As you can see soft_sync is masked and bits are ordered by importance.

It would be neat if somebody interested could cook-up a patch.


Thanks!

--
Al


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-05 19:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-24 20:36 [RFC] ext3: per-process soft-syncing data=ordered mode Al Boldi
2008-01-24 21:50 ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-28 17:34     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-24 21:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-25  1:19 ` Chris Snook
2008-01-26  5:28   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-29 17:22     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-30  6:04       ` Al Boldi
2008-01-30 14:29         ` Chris Mason
2008-01-30 18:39           ` Al Boldi
2008-01-31  0:32           ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-31  6:20             ` Al Boldi
2008-01-31 16:56               ` Chris Mason
2008-01-31 17:10                 ` Jan Kara
2008-01-31 17:14                   ` Chris Mason
2008-02-01 21:26                     ` Al Boldi
2008-02-04 17:54                       ` Jan Kara
2008-02-05  7:07                         ` Al Boldi
2008-02-05 15:07                           ` Jan Kara
2008-02-05 19:20                             ` Al Boldi [this message]
2008-01-25  6:47 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-25 21:57   ` david
2008-01-25 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-28 17:27     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-28 20:17       ` Al Boldi
2008-02-07  0:00     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-02-10 14:54       ` Al Boldi

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