From: Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
suspend-devel List <suspend-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:57:32 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200802201057.33055.jesse.barnes@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0802201007300.7833@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:37 am Linus Torvalds wrote:
> This *sounds* like some part of the suspend-to-disk sequence is doing
> something stupid like trying to access the screen after it has been turned
> off, which doesn't surprise me at all. My oft-stated opinion has been that
> suspend-to-disk isn't a suspend at all, and should never have been
> confused with "suspending" anything.
>
> It's "snapshot-and-restore", and my opinion is that:
>
> - it should *never* call "suspend()"/"resume()" at all (that should be
> reserved purely for suspend-to-RAM and has real power management
> issues!)
>
> - it should have a totally separate "halt/unhalt/restore" thing
> that has nothing what-so-ever to do with power management, and is
> purely about stopping the hardware for things like USB and network
> cards (which otherwise do things like scan their command lists
> asynchronously) and making sure that the driver state is consistent
> with that stopped hw state.
>
> - the people who confuse snapshot/restore with suspend/resume are
> horrible people that cause problems exactly because driver people then
> get those things mixed up, and something like the video suspend/resume
> should probably never have impacted suspend-to-disk in the first place!
Totally agreed. I remember when I started getting hibernation bug reports
against this new code and boggling at how hibernate was actually done. The
driver actually gets its ->suspend routine called twice with two different
pm_message_t values. We tried to do different stuff depending on the
pm_message_t (like only putting the device in D3hot if PM_EVENT_SUSPEND), but
it appears we're not doing enough...
> So there seems to be two (probably largely independent) problems:
>
> - the hang at shutdown that requires you to press-and-hold the power
> button to actually cut power.
>
> At a guess: putting the VGA device into D3hot makes the ACPI code that
> actually does the shutoff unhappy. Probably because it wants to access
> the device, and ends up not ever getting the replies it wants, since
> the hardware has been turned off.
Sounds like a good theory... now if we could just use set_power_state in the
suspend case only. That's what the latest code *tries* to do...
JEsse
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-20 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-20 17:17 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:19 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 17:37 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 18:02 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 19:43 ` [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. " Romano Giannetti
2008-02-21 21:02 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 0:20 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 0:23 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 0:42 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 0:46 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 0:52 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 1:02 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 1:27 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 1:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 1:35 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 10:37 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-22 13:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 16:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 18:01 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-23 11:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 0:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 0:42 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 1:01 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22 1:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 0:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 0:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 1:13 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 1:44 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 23:31 ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 1:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 1:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 2:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 4:36 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-23 18:13 ` [PATCH] PM: Introduce PM_EVENT_HIBERNATE (was: Re: i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer ...)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-24 8:29 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 15:21 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-24 4:16 ` Mirco Tischler
2008-02-24 11:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 11:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 11:17 ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 17:54 ` 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-18 6:31 ` [Suspend-devel] " Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:49 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-20 18:57 ` Jesse Barnes [this message]
2008-02-20 17:50 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 18:29 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:53 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 19:10 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:18 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:09 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 20:33 ` [Suspend-devel] " Pablo Sanchez
2008-02-20 20:41 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 21:44 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 22:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21 8:30 ` david
2008-02-22 16:56 ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 17:32 ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 19:23 ` david
2008-02-22 23:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 22:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 23:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21 0:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 0:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21 0:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:54 ` Mark Lord
2008-02-20 22:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21 0:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21 0:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21 0:46 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 1:17 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21 4:43 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 6:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21 6:37 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 1:10 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21 1:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-20 20:45 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 21:26 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2008-02-20 21:37 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 0:35 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 0:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 1:19 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 1:21 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 1:49 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 2:00 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 16:27 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 18:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 20:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 22:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 23:45 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 0:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 0:48 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 22:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:03 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 0:17 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 1:07 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 18:47 ` Mark Lord
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-20 0:53 Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 1:00 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 1:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 2:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 4:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 6:19 ` Jeff Chua
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