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From: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	suspend-devel List <suspend-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:46:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080221004632.GA25869@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BCC866.9000102@nigel.suspend2.net>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:40:06AM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:45:02AM +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
>>> - people keep talking about hibernating to an ext3 fs mounted on fuse as 
>>> a limitation of the freezer. To do that with kexec, you're still going to 
>>> have to bmap the ext3 fs and pass the block list (in which case we can 
>>> also do it without kexec) or umount all the ext3/fuse part and remount in 
>>> the kexec'd kernel. Sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
>> No, with a freezer-based model you can basically *never* suspend to 
>> anything related to FUSE or a userspace USB device or anything involving 
>> userspace iSCSI initiators or whatever. Sure, there are cases where moving 
>> away from the current model doesn't buy you anything, but that doesn't 
>> mean that the current model is a good thing. It's not. The freezer is a 
>> fundamentally broken concept.
>
> Putting drivers and filesystems in userspace is the fundamentally broken 
> concept. Not just when it comes to the freezer. The whole idea is 
> inherently racy.

Racy with regards to other things becides trying to suspend a machine?
If so, what?

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-21  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 17:17 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:19 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 17:37   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 18:02       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 19:43         ` [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. " Romano Giannetti
2008-02-21 21:02           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:20             ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  0:23               ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:42                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  0:46                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:52                     ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:02                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  1:27                         ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22  1:35                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 10:37                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-22 13:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 16:10                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 18:01                       ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-23 11:17                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22  0:31               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:42                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:01                   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:06                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22  0:54                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  1:13                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  1:44                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 23:31                         ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  1:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23  1:55                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  2:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23  4:36                                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-23 18:13                                   ` [PATCH] PM: Introduce PM_EVENT_HIBERNATE (was: Re: i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer ...)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 18:43                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-24  8:29                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 15:21                                       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-24  4:16                                     ` Mirco Tischler
2008-02-24 11:11                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 11:25                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 11:17                               ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 17:54   ` 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-18  6:31       ` [Suspend-devel] " Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:49       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:25         ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-20 18:57       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 17:50 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 18:29   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:53     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 19:10       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:18         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:09           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 20:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 20:33                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Pablo Sanchez
2008-02-20 20:41                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 21:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 21:44                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 22:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  8:30                         ` david
2008-02-22 16:56                           ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:02                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 17:32                               ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:44                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 19:23                                   ` david
2008-02-22 23:16                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 22:36                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 23:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 23:35                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  0:13                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  0:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:54                             ` Mark Lord
2008-02-20 22:45                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  0:13                         ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21  0:40                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  0:46                             ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-02-21  1:17                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  4:43                                 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21  6:05                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  6:37                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-21  1:10                             ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21  1:25                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-20 20:45                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 21:26                   ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2008-02-20 21:37         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  0:35           ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  0:39             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:19               ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  1:21                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:49                   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  2:00               ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 16:27                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 18:34                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 20:30                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 22:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 23:45                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:28                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:48                         ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 22:32         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:03           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:34             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:49               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:17                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:07                   ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 18:47 ` Mark Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-20  0:53 Jeff Chua
2008-02-20  1:00 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20  1:06   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20  2:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20  4:32     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20  6:19       ` Jeff Chua

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