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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Glenn Streiff <gstreiff@NetEffect.com>,
	Faisal Latif <flatif@NetEffect.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, general@lists.openfabrics.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:44:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080222194459.GA21250@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BF206C.8040001@garzik.org>

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:20:12PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>  2) you might know that Deja-Vu moment when you look at a new patch that   
>>   has been submitted to lkml and you have a strange, weird "feeling"     
>> that there's something wrong about the patch.
>>     It's totally subconscious, and you take a closer look and a few
>>     seconds later you find a real bug in the code.
>>     That "feeling" i believe comes from a fundamental property of how     
>> human vision is connected to the human brain: pattern matching.     Really 
>> good programmers have built a "library" of patterns of "good"     and 
>> "bad" looking coding practices.
>>     If a patch or if a file has a clean _style_, bugs and deeper     
>> structural problems often stand out like a sore thumb. But if the 
> [...]
>
>>     The best programmers are the ones who have a good eye for details -    
>>  and that subconsciously extends to "style details" too. I've yet to
>>     see a _single_ example of a good, experienced kernel programmer who    
>>  writes code that looks absolutely careless and sloppy, but which is     
>> top-notch otherwise. (Newbies will make style mistakes a lot more     
>> often - and for them checkpatch is a nice and easy experience at     
>> reading other people's code and trying to learn the style of the     
>> kernel.)
> [...]
>
>>  4) there's a psychological effect as well: clean _looking_ code is     
>> more attractive to coders to improve upon. Once the code _looks_     clean 
>> (mechanically), the people with the real structural cleanups     are not 
>> far away either. Code that just looks nice is simply more of     a 
>> pleasure to work with and to improve, so there's a strong     
>> psychological relationship between the "small, seemingly unimportant     
>> details" cleanups and the real, structural cleanups.
>
> The above deserved to be quoted...  just because I agree with all of it so 
> strongly :)
>
> Bugs really do "hide" in ugly code, in part because my brain has been 
> optimized to review clean code.
>
> Like everything else in life, one must strike a balance between picking 
> style nits with someone's patch, and making honest criticisms of a patch 
> because said patch is too "unclean" to be reviewed by anyone.

I totally agree with all of this.  checkpatch.pl is a useful tool to
use, and is quite handy for helping the kernel code for all of the above
reasons.

</aol>

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-22 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-19 22:59 [2.6 patch] infiniband/hw/nes/nes_verbs.c: fix off-by-one Adrian Bunk
2008-02-20  4:23 ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
2008-02-20  5:57   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-20 23:21     ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-20 23:27       ` Glenn Streiff
2008-02-21 12:39         ` Glenn Streiff
2008-02-21 15:49           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 20:28             ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-21 21:01               ` Merging of completely unreviewed drivers Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 21:09                 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-21 21:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21 22:33                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-21 22:43                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 22:57                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-21 22:58                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-21 23:31                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-21 23:38                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-21 23:31                     ` Alan Cox
2008-02-22  0:29                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 23:41                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-22  0:05                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22  0:44                         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-22  2:02                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 10:04                         ` Alan Cox
2008-02-22 18:45                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-22 22:44                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-23  9:43                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-23 12:38                               ` David Newall
2008-02-23 15:25                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24  3:18                                   ` David Newall
2008-02-23 17:33                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-24  3:26                                   ` David Newall
2008-02-24  4:47                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 13:58                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22  1:46                     ` David Newall
2008-02-22  2:06                       ` Al Viro
2008-02-22  2:23                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22  3:13                           ` Al Viro
2008-02-22 22:28                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-24  7:47                               ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-24 14:47                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22  3:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22  6:29                           ` [ofa-general] " Junio C Hamano
2008-02-22  9:02                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-22  6:37                           ` Ray Lee
2008-02-23 15:31                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-24  3:22                               ` David Newall
2008-02-22 22:37                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 12:29                       ` [ofa-general] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-22 14:25                         ` David Newall
2008-02-22 15:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-22 16:48                             ` John W. Linville
2008-02-22 22:59                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 23:14                               ` Al Viro
2008-02-22 15:48                           ` John W. Linville
2008-02-22 18:54                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 19:11                     ` [ofa-general] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-22 19:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-22 19:44                       ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-02-21 21:30                 ` Greg KH
2008-02-22  1:06                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 22:08                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-21 22:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-21 23:40                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-22 18:40                   ` Pavel Machek

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