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From: Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
To: "Alexey Zaytsev" <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Alexey Zaytsev" <zaytsev.a@protei.ru>,
	"Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: bcm43xx regression in 2.6.24 (with patch)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:20:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200802232320.58562.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f19298770802231332x79c0395fl5519e79ae75da0aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Saturday 23 February 2008 22:32:46 Alexey Zaytsev wrote:
> >  The insults being? A few quotes, please.
> If you really want to know, the
> "Because the new driver works, if you just set it up right."
> for me was clearly a hint that I'm just an other imcompetent
> user, who can't even follow the instructions from linuxwireless.org.

Well. That's 99% of all bugreports I receive. You will understand
that I won't explain the same crap that's written on linuxwireless.org
over and over 20 times each day to random people.
And yes, you belong to the group of my "random people", as I don't
remember your name from the top of my head.
So in 99% of the cases the user did something wrong.

But I still don't see the insult.

> And you knew that the new driver did no work with the bcm4311
> chips, which is the sad thing.

That is not true. It doesn't work with exactly _one_ revision
of the bcm4311 card. And that is already fixed in 2.6.25.
I'd like to have that in .24-stable, too, but I guess it's too big.
It changes some parts of the DMA engine code.

> Not true at all. I  my first and second emails, there was not a single word
> about who broke the driver. There were only the fix, and the explanation,
> why the fix is needed. I really appreciate the work done on the b43 driver,
> and I'd emmediately switch to it, if only it worked for me*.

Yeah. But I don't like that patch. Then people came and said stuff like
I _have_ to accept it because it fixes stuff I broke. Excuse me, but
nobody can force me to sign off a patch that I am not completely
convinced of. _Even_ if it turns out that a commit made by me
broke something. Especially, if there's already another fix for the
situation queued up in the development kernel.

> I'm the one person who investigated the problem, wrote a
> patch and sent it to the lkml. After lurking in #bcm-users
> for a day, I saw quite a few users asking why the b43 driver
> did not work for them, and the best answer they got, was
> got read the linuxwireless.org. Are you sure they all were
> just unable to upgrade the firmware?

Yeah. Experience shows that. Read the archives.

> And by the way, the bcm4311 and b44 combination is not
> something I assembled just to piss you off. It's what HP puts
> in their HP Compaq nx7300 laptops. They were like the
> cheapest Core Duo laptops a year ago, and I'm sure they were
> not exclusively made.

So be it. And you guess what? We already sent a fix for those
people upstream a long time ago. It is in 2.6.25.

> >  So let's
> >  apply a questionable fix for it that we don't understand. Hopefully
> >  that fixes it and doesn't break it again for somebody else... .
> >
> >  I provided an alternative fix. In my very first email.
> 
> Sorry, your fix does not work for my hardware. And you know it.

Did you _ever_ even try it?
http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download

-- 
Greetings Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-23 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-22 11:17 bcm43xx regression in 2.6.24 (with patch) Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-22 14:13 ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-22 17:51   ` Gabriel C
2008-02-22 17:56     ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-22 22:10       ` Greg KH
2008-02-22 18:10   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-22 17:48     ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-22 20:06       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-22 20:12         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-22 20:38           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-22 22:12             ` Greg KH
2008-02-22 22:45               ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-23  5:48                 ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-23 11:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-23 11:18         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-23 11:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-23 11:32             ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-23 11:37               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-23 11:51                 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-23 11:57                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-02-23 12:17                     ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-23 12:23                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-24 14:29               ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-24 16:39                 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-24 17:16                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-25  6:16                     ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-02-25  6:49                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-25  6:54                         ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-02-25  9:54                         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-25 12:11                           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-25 12:19                             ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-25 12:25                               ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-02-25 13:00                                 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-25 10:23                         ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-25 10:38                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-25 10:49                             ` Xavier Bestel
2008-02-25 10:54                               ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-23 16:05         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-23 16:27         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-23 16:44           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-23 16:50             ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-23 21:32           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-23 22:20             ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2008-02-26 20:20               ` John W. Linville
2008-02-26 21:38                 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-26 22:04                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-26 22:12                     ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-26 22:41                       ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-28 22:03                         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-28 22:48                           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-28 23:12                             ` Stefan Lippers-Hollmann
2008-02-29 23:22                               ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-28 23:14                             ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-26 22:47                       ` John W. Linville
2008-02-26 23:12                         ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-27  0:23                         ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-27  0:27                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-27  0:32                             ` Alexey Zaytsev
2008-02-27  0:43                               ` Michael Buesch
2008-02-27  0:53                                 ` Alexey Zaytsev

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