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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: casey@schaufler-ca.com, Dave Quigley <dpquigl@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@ftp.linux.org.uk,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, bfields@fieldses.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:48:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080228234850.GA25829@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1204227035.31790.207.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 02:30:35PM -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> This is an interface to be used by NFS to get information from the
> security module.  The information desired is specific to the MAC
> labeling functionality in NFSv4 that is being proposed.  That
> functionality is MAC specific (necessarily so, just like the ACL
> functionality is ACL specific).  We are hiding the SELinux-specific bits
> behind the LSM interface, and non-MAC LSMs are free to return NULL in
> order to indicate that they don't support MAC labeling.  We do NOT want
> the capability module to return its security blob here, or any other
> non-MAC LSM - it will yield the wrong semantics for the NFS MAC support.

I think Casey is totally right here.  The LSM interface should not be
as specific here.  If you want to limit the NFSv4 interface to single
MAC xattr label based systems add an additional method to check if
the LSM is that.  But the proper fix is of course to not add somthing
so specific to NFSv4 at all, as it's got enough shortcoming already.
Please add a proper xattr protocol.  It's not like it's hard, SGI
has been doing this in IRIX for NFSv3 for ages as a sideband protocol,
and even release the reference source under the GPL.  Just either use
that with NFSv4 or if you feel fancy merge it into the NFS spec for
NFSv6^H4.2.

> In any event, I don't think we need your permission.

Wow, that's rude even to someone as direct as me.  Casey is the only
other person having an in-tree LSM, and I think his input in this
area is important.  But if not I as a VFS person can happily give
you my "no" for the current version from the VFS point of view.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-28 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-27 22:11 RFC Labeled NFS Initial Code Review David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 23:42   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28  0:12     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28  1:07       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 13:43         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-28 19:23           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 19:30             ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-28 19:59               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-28 23:48               ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2008-02-29  0:04                 ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  0:39                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:32                     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:42                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:07                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:48                             ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 13:30                         ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29 14:45                           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29  1:47                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:33                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:15                         ` James Morris
2008-02-29  0:50                     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29  0:51                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  1:00                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29  1:55                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  5:04                             ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 17:46                               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 18:28                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 18:52                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 19:50                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 21:07                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 21:00                                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 22:27                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 22:15                                             ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 22:58                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-03-01  0:09                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-03-01  0:41                                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:26                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  5:01                         ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-29 17:26                           ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  1:04                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  0:52                     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  2:29                       ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29  2:09                         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:15                   ` James Morris
2008-02-29 13:31                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-29 17:52                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-02-29 21:50   ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 02/11] Security: Add hook to calculate context based on a negative dentry David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 03/11] VFS: Add security label support to *notify David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:20   ` James Morris
2008-02-28 16:07     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 23:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-28 23:44     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  0:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-29  0:06         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29  1:52         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-29 20:19         ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 04/11] KConfig: Add KConfig entries for SELinux labeled NFS David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 05/11] NFSv4: Add label recommended attribute and NFSv4 flags David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:52   ` James Morris
2008-02-28  1:45     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 13:55     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 06/11] SELinux: Add new labeling type native labels David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 07/11] NFS/SELinux: Add security_label text mount option to nfs and add handling code to the security server David P. Quigley
2008-02-28 14:22   ` Eric Paris
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 08/11] NFS: Introduce lifecycle management for label attribute David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  4:13   ` James Morris
2008-02-28 16:24     ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-28 16:46   ` Dave Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 09/11] NFS: Client implementation of Labeled-NFS David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 10/11] NFS: Extend nfs xattr handlers to accept the security namespace David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 22:11 ` [PATCH 11/11] NFSD: Server implementation of MAC Labeling David P. Quigley
2008-02-28  1:46   ` James Morris
2008-02-28  0:48 ` RFC Labeled NFS Initial Code Review Dave Quigley
2008-02-28  1:23 ` Dave Quigley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-27 20:39 David P. Quigley
2008-02-27 20:39 ` [PATCH 01/11] Security: Add hook to get full maclabel xattr name David P. Quigley

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