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From: Joe Buck <Joe.Buck@synopsys.COM>
To: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <bonzini@gnu.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Chris Lattner <clattner@apple.com>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Richard Guenther <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	Jan Hubicka <hubicka@ucw.cz>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: RELEASE BLOCKER: Linux doesn't follow x86/x86-64 ABI wrt direction   flag
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:58:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080306175841.GI17267@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080306141221.GC5236@dspnet.fr.eu.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 03:12:21PM +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 03:03:15PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > Olivier Galibert wrote:
> > >On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:12:07PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > >>It's a kernel bug, and it needs to be fixed.
> > >
> > >I'm not convinced.  It's been that way for 15 years, it's that way in
> > >the BSD kernels, at that point it's a feature.  The bug is in the
> > >documentation, nowhere else.  And in gcc for blindly trusting the
> > >documentation.
> > 
> > No, the bug *in the kernel* was already present (if you had a signal 
> > raised during a call to memmove).  It's just more visible with GCC 4.3.
> 
> I'm curious, since when paper documentation became the Truth and
> reality became a bug?

If the kernel allows state to leak from one process to another,
for example from a process running as root to a process running as an
ordinary user, it's a bug, with possible security implications.

In this particular case not much can be communicated through a one-bit
flag, so it would only be relevant in those situations where you want
to forbid any communication channels from a given process.  So the
kernel developers might consider it a trivial bug.  Or, they could just
fix it, which I understand is the plan.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-06 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-05 15:30 Linux doesn't follow x86/x86-64 ABI wrt direction flag Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 16:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 19:58   ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 20:23     ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 20:38       ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 20:42         ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 20:49           ` Jan Hubicka
2008-03-05 21:02             ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 21:20               ` RELEASE BLOCKER: " Joe Buck
2008-03-05 21:32                 ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-05 21:34                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 21:40                     ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-05 22:16                       ` David Miller
2008-03-05 22:37                         ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 22:51                         ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:58                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 23:07                             ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 23:10                               ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:16                                 ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 23:12                               ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-05 21:43                     ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 21:44                       ` Richard Guenther
     [not found]                     ` <738B72DB-A1D6-43F8-813A-E49688D05771@apple.com>
2008-03-05 21:59                       ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:13                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-05 22:21                           ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:13                           ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06  0:36                         ` Chris Lattner
2008-03-06  0:47                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                             ` <578FCA7D-D7A6-44F6-9310-4A97C13CDCBE@apple.com>
2008-03-06  1:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  9:17                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 13:51                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 14:03                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 14:12                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 14:15                                       ` Andrew Haley
2008-03-06 17:58                                       ` Joe Buck [this message]
2008-03-06 18:10                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-06 18:13                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 18:31                                             ` Jack Lloyd
2008-03-06 18:35                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2008-03-06 19:44                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 19:43                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 20:16                                                 ` Jack Lloyd
2008-03-06 21:37                                                   ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-06 15:09                                   ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 15:37                                   ` NightStrike
2008-03-06 15:43                                     ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 15:50                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 16:23                                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 16:27                                           ` İsmail Dönmez
2008-03-06 16:58                                           ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 17:06                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 17:14                                               ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 17:17                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 17:34                                                   ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-06 19:35                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 17:18                                                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 17:19                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 19:25                                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 20:37                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-07  8:28                                                       ` Florian Weimer
2008-03-07  8:00                                                     ` Andreas Jaeger
2008-03-06 15:57                                     ` Robert Dewar
2008-03-06 16:29                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2008-03-06 17:18                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 16:14                                   ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-06  0:49                           ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 22:05                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  2:11                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-06  8:44                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-06  9:01                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2008-03-06 15:20                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 21:45                   ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 21:43                 ` Andrew Pinski
2008-03-05 21:43                 ` Michael Matz
2008-03-05 22:12                   ` Joe Buck
2008-03-05 22:17                   ` David Miller
2008-03-05 23:17                   ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-05 23:21                     ` David Daney
2008-03-06 14:06                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-03-08 19:10                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-03-05 21:07             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 20:44         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-05 20:52           ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 21:23             ` David Miller
2008-03-06  9:53             ` Andrew Haley
2008-03-06 11:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-06 12:06                 ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-06 17:34                   ` Joe Buck
2008-03-06 20:54                     ` Richard Guenther
2008-03-06 20:56                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06 22:06                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-07  4:56                           ` Chris Lattner
2008-03-07 14:09                           ` Michael Matz
2008-03-06  9:45       ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-03-05 16:56 ` H.J. Lu
2008-03-05 18:14 ` [PATCH] x86: Clear DF before calling signal handler Aurelien Jarno
2008-03-05 18:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-03-06  9:21   ` Ingo Molnar

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