From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
Cc: Grzegorz Kulewski <kangur@polcom.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:37:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080310093737.3c1e938a@core> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200803100123.51395.phillips@phunq.net>
> Usual block device semantics are preserved so long as UPS power does
> not run out before emergency writeback completes. It is not possible
> to order writes to the backing store and still deliver ramdisk level
> write latency to the application.
Why - your chunks simply become a linked list in write barrier order.
Solve your bitmap sweep cost as well. As you are already making a copy
before going to backing store you don't have the internal consistency
problems of further writes during the I/O.
Yes you may need to throttle in the specific case of having too many
copies of pages sitting in the queue - but surely that would be the set of
pages that are written but not yet committed from a previous store
barrier ?
BTW: I'm also curious why you made it a block device. What does that
offer over say ramfs + dnotify and a userspace daemon or perhaps for big
files to work smoothly a ramfs variant that keeps dirty bitmaps on file
pages. That way write back would be file level and while you might lose
changesets that have not been fsync()'d your underlying disk fs would
always be coherent.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-10 9:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-10 6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2008-03-10 8:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:37 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-03-10 21:03 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12 8:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 9:30 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03 ` david
2008-03-14 19:03 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-13 9:15 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 4:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11 4:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 3:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:45 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:30 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:05 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 7:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:32 ` david
2008-03-13 7:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:55 ` david
2008-03-13 8:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 8:39 ` david
2008-03-13 9:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25 ` david
2008-03-13 19:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53 ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 9:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:39 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 5:22 ` David Newall
2008-03-14 5:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:00 ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 1:31 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 3:59 ` david
2008-03-17 5:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 6:49 ` david
2008-03-17 8:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42 ` david
2008-03-17 17:23 ` david
2008-03-17 17:30 ` Willy Tarreau
[not found] ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03 ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 0:28 ` david
2008-04-01 4:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 4:23 ` david
2008-04-01 6:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 7:14 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 8:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56 ` David Newall
2008-03-23 9:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22 ` david
2008-03-15 23:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 3:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 5:24 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16 6:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16 5:42 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11 5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11 5:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 5:48 ` david
2008-03-11 6:27 ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <OFA00954A4.45F32CA2-ON8025740B.005D7B40-8025740B.005EECA6@sophos.com>
2008-03-13 19:34 ` Daniel Phillips
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