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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:17:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803122317.24849.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47D8BF76.8040105@davidnewall.com>

On Wednesday 12 March 2008 22:45, David Newall wrote:
> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > So you design for the number of nines you need, taking all factors
> > into account, and you design for the performance you need.  These are
> > cut and dried calculations.  FUD has no place here.
> 
> There's no FUD here.  The problem is that you didn't say that you've
> designed this for only a few nines.

Right.  6 or 7.

> If you delete fsck from your 
> rationale, simply saying that you rely on UPS to give you time to flush
> buffers, you have a much better story.  Certainly, once you've flushed
> buffers and degraded to write-through mode, you're obviously as reliable
> as ext2/3.

Fsck was never a part of my rationale.  Only reliability of components
was and is.  Then people jumped in saying Linux is too unreliable to
use in a, hmm, storage system.  Or transaction processing system.  Or
whatever.

Balderdash, I say.

> Your idea seems predicated on throwing large amounts of RAM at the
> problem.  What I want to know is this: Is it really 25 times faster than
> ext3 with an equally huge buffer cache?

Yes.

Regards,

Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-13  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-10  6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2008-03-10  8:23   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:37     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 21:03       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26               ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12  8:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:20                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25                   ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14  9:30                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47                               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03                                   ` david
2008-03-14 19:03                                 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-13  9:15                   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  4:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01   ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11  4:28     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  3:50   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32     ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31       ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11         ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:45             ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:17               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2008-03-13  6:30                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:50                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:05                     ` David Newall
2008-03-13  7:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  6:32                 ` david
2008-03-13  7:12                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:55                     ` david
2008-03-13  8:06                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  8:39                         ` david
2008-03-13  9:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25                             ` david
2008-03-13 19:32                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50                                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53                                     ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40                                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  9:49                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:39         ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:14           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 20:27                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:23                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14  5:22                     ` David Newall
2008-03-14  5:42                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:00                     ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56                   ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08                       ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17  1:31                             ` David Newall
2008-03-17  2:42                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  3:59                                 ` david
2008-03-17  5:52                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  6:49                                     ` david
2008-03-17  8:16                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42                                         ` david
2008-03-17 17:23                                           ` david
2008-03-17 17:30                                             ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]                                             ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03                                               ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36                                                 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  0:28                                                     ` david
2008-04-01  4:07                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  4:23                                                         ` david
2008-04-01  6:08                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  7:14                                     ` David Newall
2008-03-17  8:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56                                         ` David Newall
2008-03-23  9:33                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` david
2008-03-15 23:57                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16  3:33                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16  5:24                             ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49                               ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16  6:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16  5:42                     ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43                             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11  5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11  5:22   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  5:48     ` david
2008-03-11  6:27     ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27   ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <OFA00954A4.45F32CA2-ON8025740B.005D7B40-8025740B.005EECA6@sophos.com>
2008-03-13 19:34 ` Daniel Phillips

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