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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:14:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803131214.40321.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080313132211.6af855b3@the-village.bc.nu>

On Thursday 13 March 2008 06:22, Alan Cox wrote:
> ...Ext3 cannot recover well from massive loss of intermediate
> writes. It isn't a normal failure mode and there isn't sufficient fs
> metadata robustness for this. A log structured backing store would deal
> with that but all you apparently want to do is scream FUD at anyone who
> doesn't agree with you.

Scream is an exaggeration, and FUD only applies to somebody who
consistently overlooks the primary proposition in this design: that the
battery backed power supply, computer hardware and Linux are reliable
enough to entrust your data to them.  I say this is practical, you say
it is impossible, I say FUD.

All you are proposing is that nobody can entrust their data to any
hardware.  Good point.  There is no absolute reliability, only degrees
of it.

Many raid controllers now have battery backed writeback cache, which
is exactly the same reliability proposition as ramback, on a smaller
scale.  Do you refuse to entrust your corporate data to such
controllers?

Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-13 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-10  6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2008-03-10  8:23   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:37     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 21:03       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26               ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12  8:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:20                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25                   ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14  9:30                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12                             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47                               ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03                                   ` david
2008-03-14 19:03                                 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-13  9:15                   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  4:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10  9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01   ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11  4:28     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  3:50   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32     ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31       ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11         ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:45             ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:17               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  6:30                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:50                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:05                     ` David Newall
2008-03-13  7:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  6:32                 ` david
2008-03-13  7:12                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  7:55                     ` david
2008-03-13  8:06                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  8:39                         ` david
2008-03-13  9:16                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25                             ` david
2008-03-13 19:32                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50                                 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53                                     ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40                                       ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  9:49                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13  5:39         ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:14           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14               ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2008-03-13 20:27                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14  2:23                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14  5:22                     ` David Newall
2008-03-14  5:42                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:00                     ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56                   ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08                       ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17  1:31                             ` David Newall
2008-03-17  2:42                               ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  3:59                                 ` david
2008-03-17  5:52                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  6:49                                     ` david
2008-03-17  8:16                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52                                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42                                         ` david
2008-03-17 17:23                                           ` david
2008-03-17 17:30                                             ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]                                             ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03                                               ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36                                                 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  0:28                                                     ` david
2008-04-01  4:07                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01  4:23                                                         ` david
2008-04-01  6:08                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17  7:14                                     ` David Newall
2008-03-17  8:25                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56                                         ` David Newall
2008-03-23  9:33                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` david
2008-03-15 23:57                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16  3:33                           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16  5:24                             ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49                               ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16  6:56                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14                             ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16  5:42                     ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48                       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43                             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11  5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11  5:22   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11  5:48     ` david
2008-03-11  6:27     ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27   ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <OFA00954A4.45F32CA2-ON8025740B.005D7B40-8025740B.005EECA6@sophos.com>
2008-03-13 19:34 ` Daniel Phillips

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