From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:42:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803132242.21305.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47DA0B78.8010802@davidnewall.com>
On Thursday 13 March 2008 22:22, David Newall wrote:
> I'd like to seem some science. I'd like to know how much faster it
> really is, and for that proper testing needs to be done. Since Daniel's
> scheme uses the same amount of RAM as disk, an appropriate test would be
> to pin (at least) that amount of RAM to buffer cache, and then to fill
> the cache with the contents of the disk (i.e. cat /dev/disk >
> /dev/null.) This sets the stage for tests, which tests should not
> include the sync operation. I'd like to see actual numbers against such
> a setup versus Daniel's scheme. Since buffer cache is shared by all
> disks, obviously the test must not access any other drive.
There is a correctable flaw in your experiment: loading the disk into
buffer cache does not make the cached data available to the page
cache. Maybe it should (good summer project there for somebody) but
for now you need to tar the filesystem to dev/null or similar. Note
that, because of poor cross-directory readahead, traversing a disk
like that will not be as fast as reading it linearly. On the other
hand, you will not have to read any free space into cache, which
ramback does because it does not know what is free space (or care,
really...)
Anyway, your investigative attitude is worth gold :-)
> One thing I will admit: RAM disks are fast. What I don't know is how
> much work there is to access blocks that are already in the buffer
> cache. In principle I suppose it should be a little slower, but not
> much. I'd like to know, though. I'd do the test myself if I had a
> machine with enough RAM, but I don't. Daniel (apparently) does...
You are probably OK. I used a 150 MB ramdisk, of which I used only
100 MB. That is why I used a 2.2 kernel for my tests.
Daniel
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Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-10 6:46 [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 7:51 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2008-03-10 8:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:37 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 21:03 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:23 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 11:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 17:26 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-11 19:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 20:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-12 8:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 14:41 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-13 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 21:56 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2008-03-11 23:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 13:25 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-12 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 15:29 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 9:30 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 11:07 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 11:41 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-03-14 12:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 12:56 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 15:47 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 16:49 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-14 17:04 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-14 18:03 ` david
2008-03-14 19:03 ` writeback cache dangers " Pavel Machek
2008-03-14 19:29 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-13 9:15 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-03-11 23:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-13 19:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 4:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 9:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-10 19:01 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-11 4:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 3:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 13:32 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-11 14:31 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-12 13:11 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-12 17:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-12 18:11 ` Chris Friesen
2008-03-12 22:56 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:45 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:30 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:05 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 7:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 13:32 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 21:47 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 6:32 ` david
2008-03-13 7:12 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 7:55 ` david
2008-03-13 8:06 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 8:39 ` david
2008-03-13 9:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 16:25 ` david
2008-03-13 19:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 19:50 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 17:53 ` Jeff Moyer
2008-03-15 20:26 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:40 ` Mike Snitzer
2008-03-15 21:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 20:18 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-15 20:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 9:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 5:39 ` David Newall
2008-03-13 6:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 13:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 19:14 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-13 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-14 2:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 5:22 ` David Newall
2008-03-14 5:42 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2008-03-14 14:00 ` John Stoffel
2008-03-15 20:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 20:56 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:08 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 21:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:03 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-15 22:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 21:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 21:55 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 22:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 23:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 1:31 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 3:59 ` david
2008-03-17 5:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 6:49 ` david
2008-03-17 8:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 10:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-17 13:52 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-17 14:42 ` david
2008-03-17 17:23 ` david
2008-03-17 17:30 ` Willy Tarreau
[not found] ` <200803180233.10156.phillips@phunq.net>
2008-03-18 13:03 ` David Newall
2008-03-18 16:36 ` david
2008-03-31 11:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 0:28 ` david
2008-04-01 4:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-01 4:23 ` david
2008-04-01 6:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-18 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-31 11:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 7:14 ` David Newall
2008-03-17 8:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-17 18:56 ` David Newall
2008-03-23 9:33 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 20:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 21:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-15 22:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-15 23:22 ` david
2008-03-15 23:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 3:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 5:24 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 12:49 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-03-16 6:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-16 22:12 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2008-03-16 19:04 ` Theodore Tso
2008-03-16 22:02 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-15 23:18 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-03-16 5:42 ` David Newall
2008-03-16 20:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 22:15 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 22:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-16 23:08 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-03-16 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-10 14:51 ` Artur Skawina
2008-03-10 18:49 ` Chris Snook
2008-03-11 5:06 ` Greg KH
2008-03-11 5:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 5:48 ` david
2008-03-11 6:27 ` Greg KH
2008-03-12 12:01 ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-03-12 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <OFA00954A4.45F32CA2-ON8025740B.005D7B40-8025740B.005EECA6@sophos.com>
2008-03-13 19:34 ` Daniel Phillips
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