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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux+glibc memory allocator, poor performance
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:50:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080313225040.GO27894@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47D98311.2040302@davidnewall.com>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 06:10:01AM +1030, David Newall wrote:
> Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> >   
> >>  Politeness is a good thing this list needs more of.
> >>     
> >
> > Do you honestly think we should be polite to people trolling on the
> > LKML?
> 
> I do.  It's obvious.  Rudeness detracts (and reflects poorly on one's
> parents.)  Good manners cost nothing.  I might also point out that it
> was bad manners, not any alleged trolling, which caused this sad
> discussion.

"Deliberate insult" would describe the original posting more accurately.
Whether you prefer to look at it as a show of bad manners or as trolling
is a matter of perspective; arguably it had been both.

> Don't be rude; rather say nothing.

Request duly noted and denied.  For the record: condescending twits of that
variety ("I can't be arsed to look at code I'm commenting on; here's my
valuable insight that is obviously beyond the mental capacity of anybody
here") can expect a harsh reply, whoever they are.  I'm yet to see l-k
regulars treating newbies that way, BTW, despite the much decried lack of
politeness.

Since you are postulating social norms, here's one you seem to have overlooked:
one who comments on code or design, be it review, suggestions of changes/
improvements, etc., ought to read the thing he is commenting on.  Whoever
it is and wherever the code in question might be.  And yes, it applies to
kernel hackers commenting on newbies' patches to the same extent as to
completely unknown folks commenting on the kernel, etc.

Breaking that rule and being caught at that is one hell of a way to earn
yourself a lousy reputation.  Combine that with arrogance and... well,
there's a term for what you become: target practice.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-13 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-12 20:09 linux+glibc memory allocator, poor performance J.C. Pizarro
2008-03-12 21:12 ` Al Viro
2008-03-13  5:57   ` David Newall
2008-03-13  6:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-03-13  6:22       ` David Newall
2008-03-13  7:38         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-13 11:02           ` David Newall
2008-03-13  9:10         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-13 11:04           ` David Newall
2008-03-13 12:10           ` Alan Cox
2008-03-13 12:48             ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-13 13:55               ` J.C. Pizarro
2008-03-13 19:40               ` David Newall
2008-03-13 20:05                 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-13 22:50                 ` Al Viro [this message]
2008-03-14 12:11                   ` Stephen Clark
2008-03-14  6:05               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-03-13 10:50     ` David Newall
2008-03-13 12:23   ` J.C. Pizarro
2008-03-12 21:22 ` Rik van Riel
2008-03-12 21:32   ` Al Viro
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-12 18:14 Xose Vazquez Perez
2008-03-17 18:36 ` Xose Vazquez Perez

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