From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
jkosina@suse.cz, gregkh@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
rtc-linux@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:01:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080328110127.GA1706@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080328102010.GA633@elte.hu>
On Fri 2008-03-28 11:20:10, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Prevent the most significant RTC configuration problems:
> >
> > - If the new RTC framework is enabled, don't allow any of the
> > legacy drivers to be configured.
>
> yay!!!!
>
> > - When using generic RTC on x86, enable rtc-cmos by default.
>
> Amen.
>
> > It seems too many people are used to enabling a legacy RTC despite the
> > Kconfig help/comments; the gentle approach hasn't worked.
>
> Very-Much-Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Acked-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
> it's not just about being gentle: it's that there are thousands of
> .config options that are confusing to most users, so our defaults and
> rules must make sense. If we think that an approach is superior (which
> your new RTC code certainly is), we have to take up the responsibility
> of pushing that as a prominent, default choice and excluding the old
> code. That ends up benefiting everyone, reduces complexity of the
> kernel. You wont see anyone shed tears for the old code.
...as I got bitten by this, too.
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-27 15:29 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Mark Lord
2008-03-27 16:07 ` Greg KH
2008-03-28 0:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-03-28 1:57 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 3:12 ` David Miller
2008-03-28 4:42 ` Bob Tracy
2008-03-28 4:56 ` David Miller
2008-03-28 5:17 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 6:01 ` david
2008-03-28 16:34 ` Bob Tracy
2008-04-05 18:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-28 5:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-03-28 5:46 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 5:52 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 6:05 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 6:58 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-28 9:49 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 10:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-28 11:01 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-03-28 15:03 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-28 20:14 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 12:51 ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-28 13:49 ` Kconfig RTC selection Mark Lord
2008-03-28 19:22 ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) David Brownell
2008-03-29 12:55 ` Kconfig RTC selection Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-28 13:47 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Mark Lord
2008-03-28 20:04 ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:06 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 21:23 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 21:45 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 22:18 ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 22:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-29 11:40 ` [rtc-linux] " Alessandro Zummo
2008-03-28 14:56 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-28 17:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-29 3:58 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 1:51 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 2:11 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 2:13 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 14:34 ` Alan Stern
2008-03-28 14:57 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-27 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-28 5:22 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 2:14 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 9:24 ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-30 21:04 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-30 21:09 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 14:39 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 15:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 15:04 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 15:14 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 16:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 17:03 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:06 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:15 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:21 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:30 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 18:05 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 19:21 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 8:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-02 14:38 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 14:38 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:05 ` 2.6.25-rc7/rc8 USB dead on resume Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:21 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-02 15:08 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Alan Stern
2008-04-02 15:44 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh. ---> PATCH Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:47 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:49 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 20:09 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 16:04 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:09 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 20:22 ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:20 ` [PATCH] usb ehci_iaa_watchdog fix Mark Lord
2008-04-02 16:48 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 17:34 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 18:08 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 19:20 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 20:42 ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 21:08 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-07 23:37 ` David Brownell
2008-04-08 2:13 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 20:31 ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 20:55 ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 23:07 ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:56 ` David Brownell
2008-04-01 9:59 ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Pavel Machek
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