From: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Oeser <ioe-lkml@rameria.de>,
Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:57:58 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080413125758.GQ11962@parisc-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080413070833.GC19773@elte.hu>
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 09:08:33AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> but semaphores will be _removed_, _completely_. Rewriting them in
> generic C code is just the first step towards that - it consolidates all
> the myriads of semaphore implementations that Linux has spread out.
I think you're dreaming. We have 11 places in the tree that currently
demand to use a counting semaphore (with 'n' plausibly greater than 1).
If we remove the facility, these places are going to invent their own
weird locking schemes.
> your proposed change to change completions to semaphores is totally
> backwards and prolongs an API we want to get rid of. Did you miss this
> aspect of the mutex rewrite, of the semaphore-to-mutex,
> semaphore-to-completions and semaphore-to-rwsem conversions?
Yes -- because it wasn't raised at the time for semaphore-to-completions.
It was raised for semaphore-to-mutex, of course. And I agree that we
/want/ to be rid of counting semaphores, but I don't see a way to do it.
I do believe tht we should be converting all the semaphore users to
mutexes that we can (eg scx200_wdt.c), and converting semaphore users to
completions where that makes sense (eg libusual.c). But there's still
the other dozen places to support.
--
Intel are signing my paycheques ... these opinions are still mine
"Bill, look, we understand that you're interested in selling us this
operating system, but compare it to ours. We can't possibly take such
a retrograde step."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-13 12:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-11 21:00 [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 6:43 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 10:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-12 12:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 17:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 18:01 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 18:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 19:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:53 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-12 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13 7:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:57 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2008-04-14 15:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 15:58 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-14 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 16:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 17:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 17:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 18:09 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-14 19:16 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 6:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 6:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15 7:17 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15 13:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 16:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 18:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-16 12:50 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:59 ` Killable stat/readdir Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 17:15 ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-16 16:07 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-16 16:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:47 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-16 16:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 16:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 17:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 17:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 18:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 19:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 14:55 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-14 17:12 ` API documentation (was [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores) Jonathan Corbet
2008-04-14 17:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 18:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 13:55 ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 15:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 17:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 16:54 ` Jens Axboe
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2008-04-16 10:22 ` Bodo Eggert
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