From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
Ingo Oeser <ioe-lkml@rameria.de>,
Daniel Walker <dwalker@mvista.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:37:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080416123732.GA32527@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080415185008.GE9191@parisc-linux.org>
* Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 07:05:56PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > i very much agree with the "get rid of semaphores" argument - the
> > reason why i initially supported the "move to generic semaphores"
> > step was because i saw it basically as the precursor to full
> > removal: it is the removal of semaphores from all architectures -
> > with a small generic compatibility wrapper to handle the remaining
> > few uses of semaphores.
>
> Hm. I thought you initially supported it because it deleted so much
> code. [...]
... sorry, but i always thought of semaphores to be removed completely.
> [...] I don't want to go and add down_killable() to each architecture
> again, and you were pretty enthusiastic about adding down_killable().
... the killable sleeps should and are already propagated everywhere - i
never thought of them as a semaphore-only feature.
killable sleeps are probably the next best thing to true
interruptability.
btw., has anyone thought about killable sync/fsync syscalls - would that
surprise too many programs?
> > i got thoroughly surprised by the "increase the scope of semaphores"
> > angle to the patchset though, and in hindsight i'd rather see
> > neither of those generalizations and see semaphores die a slow but
> > sure natural death than to see their prolongation :-/
>
> I'm fully in favour of reducing the number of semaphore users, and
> eventually eliminating them. Arjan and I discussed a way to do that
> just now ... I'll write some code, see how it looks.
cool!
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-16 12:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-11 21:00 [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 6:43 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 10:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-12 12:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 17:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 18:01 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-12 18:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-12 19:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-12 19:53 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-12 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13 7:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:57 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 15:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 15:58 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-14 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 16:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 17:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 17:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 18:09 ` Daniel Walker
2008-04-14 19:16 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 6:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 6:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15 7:17 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-15 13:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-15 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 16:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 18:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-04-16 12:50 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:59 ` Killable stat/readdir Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 17:15 ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-15 17:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-15 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-16 16:07 ` Ingo Oeser
2008-04-16 16:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-16 16:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 16:47 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-16 16:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 16:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 17:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 17:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-16 18:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 19:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 14:55 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-14 17:12 ` API documentation (was [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores) Jonathan Corbet
2008-04-14 17:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-14 18:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 13:55 ` [PATCH] Replace completions with semaphores Bart Van Assche
2008-04-13 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-13 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-13 12:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 15:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 17:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-14 16:54 ` Jens Axboe
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2008-04-16 10:22 ` Bodo Eggert
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