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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	peterz@infradead.org, sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:08:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423070819.GU12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423011153.GB17572@wotan.suse.de>

On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:50:30PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > ok. In which case the reschedule vector could be consolidated into that 
> > > as well (it's just a special single-CPU call). Then there would be no 
> > > new vector allocations needed at all, just the renaming of 
> > > RESCHEDULE_VECTOR to something more generic.
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > Btw, don't get me wrong - I'm not against multiple vectors per se. I just 
> > wonder if there is any real reason for the code duplication. 
> > 
> > And there certainly *can* be tons of valid reasons for it. For example, 
> > some of the LAPIC can only have something like two pending interrupts per 
> > vector, and after that IPI's would get lost.
> > 
> > However, since the queuing is actually done with the data structures, I 
> > don't think it matters for the IPI's - they don't need any hardware 
> > queuing at all, afaik, since even if two IPI's would be merged into one 
> > (due to lack of hw queueing) the IPI handling code still has its list of 
> > events, so it doesn't matter.
> > 
> > And performance can be a valid reason ("too expensive to check the shared 
> > queue if we only have per-cpu events"), although I$ issues can cause that 
> > argument to go both ways.
> > 
> > I was also wondering whether there are deadlock issues (ie one type of IPI 
> > has to complete even if a lock is held for the other type). 
> > 
> > So I don't dislike the patch per se, I just wanted to understand _why_ the 
> > IPI's wanted separate vectors.
> 
> The "too expensive to check the shared queue" is one aspect of it. The
> shared queue need not have events *for us* (at least, unless Jens has
> changed the implementation a bit) but it can still have events that we
> would need to check through.

That is still the case, the loop works the same way still.

To answer Linus' question on why it was done the way it was - the
thought of sharing the IPI just didn't occur to me. For performance
reasons I'd like to keep the current setup, but it's certainly a viable
alternative for archs with limited number of IPIs available (like the
mips case that Ralf has disclosed).

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-23  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-22 18:50 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() #2 Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 1/11] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 20:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  6:07     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  6:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  7:49         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  7:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-24 22:01   ` Russell King
2008-04-25  7:18     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-26  6:28       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28  7:38         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-04-26  6:11   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-26 14:13     ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27  0:58     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-27 10:36       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:30     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-28 14:25     ` David Howells
2008-04-28 14:43       ` James Bottomley
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 19:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:26         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23  1:11             ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23  1:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23  1:36                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23  7:08               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-04-23 12:54     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-26  6:44   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-27 10:23     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 15:18       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 3/11] powerpc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 4/11] ia64: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 5/11] alpha: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 6/11] arm: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 7/11] m32r: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 8/11] mips: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 23:18   ` Ralf Baechle
2008-04-23  7:18     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 9/11] parisc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 10/11] sh: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-25  8:56   ` Paul Mundt
2008-04-25  9:16     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 11/11] s390: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  7:58   ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23  8:11     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 11:21       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 11:47         ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23 11:54           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:42           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-23 15:56             ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-22  7:57 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() and friends Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  7:57 ` [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  8:38   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-22  8:43     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 11:15       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  8:48     ` Jacek Luczak
2008-04-22  8:56       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  9:04         ` Jacek Luczak
2008-04-22  8:52     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-26  8:59     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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