From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756546AbYEAIOv (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 04:14:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754316AbYEAIOc (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 04:14:32 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:34629 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754236AbYEAIOa (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 04:14:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 01:13:46 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Adrian Bunk , Linus Torvalds , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com, Steven Rostedt Subject: Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Message-Id: <20080501011346.522f9846.akpm@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: <20080430000338.50548884@infradead.org> References: <20080429.190352.137408408.davem@davemloft.net> <200804302136.58005.rjw@sisk.pl> <20080430131537.1f7a0914.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080501003125.GM29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080430000338.50548884@infradead.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.5; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:03:38 -0700 Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > First of all: > > I 100% agree with Andrew that our biggest problems are in reviewing > > code and resolving bugs, not in finding bugs (we already have far too > > many unresolved bugs). > > I would argue instead that we don't know which bugs to fix first. How about "a bug which we just added"? One which is repeatable. Repeatable by a tester who is prepared to work with us on resolving it. Those bugs. Rafael has a list of them. We release kernels when that list still has tens of unfixed regressions dating back up to a couple of months.