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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
Cc: ext4 development <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:15:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080516221506.GD15334@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <482DDB5E.4030404@redhat.com>

Eric Sandeen wrote:
> To ensure that bits are truly on-disk after an fsync,
> ext3 should call blkdev_issue_flush if barriers are supported.
> 
> Inspired by an old thread on barriers, by reiserfs & xfs
> which do the same, and by a patch SuSE ships with their kernel

blkdev_issue_flush uses BIO_RW_BARRIER, which becomes REQ_HARDBARRIER.
REQ_HARDBARRIER does _not_ mean force the data to disk.

It is a barrier request, which when optimised for the highest
performance can return a long time before the data is physically on
the disk.  (It can even do nothing, correctly).

In many cases, block drivers implement a barrier using a hardware
flush command, so it turns out the same.  Then your patch is effective.

(It is however sending unnecessary hardware commands sometimes,
because fsync's journal write (when there is one) will also issue a
flush command, and another is not required; it may reduce performance.)

But that is not what REQ_HARDBARRIER means: block drivers are allowed
to implement barriers in other ways which are more efficient.

I'm not sure if this problem is theoretical only, or if any block
drivers actually do take advantage of this.

A good fix would be to add REQ_HARDFLUSH, with a precise meaning:
don't return until the hardware reports the data safely committed.  It
would be very little change to most (if not all) current drivers.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-16 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-16 19:02 [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] ext3: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  8:58   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-16 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:15   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-05-16 19:08 ` [PATCH 3/4] ext4: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:09 ` [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20  2:34   ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:43     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:52       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 20:14         ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 19:54       ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 22:02         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21  7:30           ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-16 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 20:53   ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 20:58     ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 21:45       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:21       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:53         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-17  0:20           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17  0:35             ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-17 13:43               ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17 17:59                 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-05-17 20:44                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 14:45                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18  0:48               ` Chris Mason
2008-05-18  1:36                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:49                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 14:42                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 23:48                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 23:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 20:03         ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19  0:43           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-19  2:29             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  4:11               ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-19 17:16                 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 18:39                   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 22:39                     ` Jan Kara
2008-05-20  0:29                       ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20  3:29                         ` Timothy Shimmin
2008-05-20 12:04                           ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20  8:25                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 12:17                       ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 11:22                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-21 12:32                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:03                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 18:15                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-21 19:43                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 18:29                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:49                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 19:42                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:36                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:40                             ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 19:54                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 14:58                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 22:30                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-05-20 23:35               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19  0:28       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:13         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Greg Smith
2008-05-16 22:30   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 19:54   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19 13:26     ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 14:46       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20  2:51         ` [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Fix use of write barrier in commit logic Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:23           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-23 18:33         ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 15:36       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 16:02         ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 16:27           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 17:08             ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 22:26               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19  9:04   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-29 13:36   ` Eric Sandeen

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