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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Liam Howlett <howlett@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] Freezer: Try to handle killable tasks
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:59:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080519225910.GC2315@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805072041.20210.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Wed 2008-05-07 20:41:19, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 of May 2008, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:07:55AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > The introduction of TASK_KILLABLE allows the freezer to work in some situation
> > > that it could not handle before.
> > > 
> > > Make the freezer handle killable tasks and add try_to_freeze() in some places
> > > where it is safe to freeze a (killable) task.  Introduce the
> > > wait_event_killable_freezable() macro to be used wherever the freezing of
> > > a waiting killable task is desirable.
> > 
> > Why do you say that TASK_KILLABLE allows the freezer to work in some
> > situations where it couldn't before?  If something's using one of the
> > killable functions, it means that it knows how to clean up and unwind
> > gracefully if the task receives a fatal signal.  I don't understand what
> > connection there is to the freezer.
> 
> The reason why we don't freeze uninterruptible tasks is that we don't know
> why they are in that state.  If one of tasks is uninterruptible for a
> relatively long time, that may indicate a non-recoverable error making it
> dangerous to put the system into a sleep state.  If the task is killable,
> though, the situation is recoverable.

....but the task may still hold some locks, so we can't "just freeze
it".
								Pavel

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      reply	other threads:[~2008-05-19 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-06 22:03 [RFC][PATCH 0/2] Freezer face lifting Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-06 22:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] Freezer: Introduce PF_FREEZER_NOSIG Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-07  0:38   ` [linux-pm] " Gautham R Shenoy
2008-05-07 12:11     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-07  9:36   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 12:16     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-06 22:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] Freezer: Try to handle killable tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-07  9:41   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 13:57     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 18:35       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-07 13:53   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 18:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-19 22:59       ` Pavel Machek [this message]

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