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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com, suresh.b.siddha@intel.com,
	Michael Neuling <mikey@neuling.org>,
	"Amit K. Arora" <aarora@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:19:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080527071900.25329ae1@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080527132909.GC5181@dirshya.in.ibm.com>

\> > 
> > that's a case where it really makes sense; it's the case where the
> > thing that controls the cpu P-state actually learns about how much
> > work was done to reevaluate what the cpu frequency should be going
> > forward. Eg it's a case of comparing actual frequency (APERF/MPERF)
> > to see what's useful to set next.
> > IDA makes this all needed due to the dynamic nature of the concept
> > of "frequency".
> 
> Scaled statistics relative to maximum CPU capacity is just a method of
> exposing the actual CPU utilisation of applications independent of CPU
> frequency changes.
> 
> Reason behind the metric is same as the above fact that you have
> mentioned.  The CPU frequency governors cannot make decisions only
> based on idle time ratio.  It needs to know current utilisation (used
> cycles) relative to maximum capacity so that the frequency can be
> changed to next higher level.
> 
> Higher level management software that wants to control CPU capacity
> externally will need similar information.
>
I entirely understand that desire.
But you're not giving it that information!
The patch is giving it a really poor approximation, an approximation
that will get worse and worse in upcoming cpu generations.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-27 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-26 14:31 [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86 Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/3] General framework for APERF/MPERF access and accounting Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 18:11   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 14:54     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] Make calls to account_scaled_stats Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 18:18   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 15:02     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-29 15:18   ` Michael Neuling
2008-05-29 18:23     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/3] Print scaled utime and stime in getdelays Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-26 15:50 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/3] Scaled statistics using APERF/MPERF in x86 Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-26 17:24   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-26 18:00     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-26 18:36       ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-26 18:51         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 12:59           ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-27 13:19             ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:15               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 15:27                 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-31 21:27             ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 17:54               ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-06-03  2:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 13:29           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:19             ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-05-27 15:20               ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 14:04   ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-27 16:40     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 18:26       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2008-05-31 21:17     ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-31 21:13   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  6:08     ` Balbir Singh

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