From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754941AbYE1WyI (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:54:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753669AbYE1Wx6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:49680 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753607AbYE1Wx5 (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:53:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:51:36 -0700 From: Greg KH To: James Bottomley Cc: David Woodhouse , ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, Pekka Enberg , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Message-ID: <20080528225136.GA29014@kroah.com> References: <1211995212.3445.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1212007760.2236.17.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <1212008517.3445.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <84144f020805281431y1aac903am442b333a2a13cd15@mail.gmail.com> <1212010931.3445.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1212013125.2236.58.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <1212014127.3445.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1212014127.3445.115.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 05:35:27PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 01:18 +0300, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:42 -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > > > Appeals to be politer tend to only work in the short term (having given > > > quite a few of them). I think we're developing a root cause problem in > > > the way we recruit people to work in the kernel and we have to think > > > about fixing it there. > > > > Do we really have a problem recruiting people to work in the kernel? On > > what do you base that observation? > > Yes, the median age of the MAINTAINERS is rising. Not quite at the rate > of a year per year which would show we have practically no turn over, > but it is rising. My raw numbers show that the number of individual kernel contributors continues to increase with every release, so this might not be as much of a problem as it's made out to be. > However, even if there were no recruitment problem at all, getting more > people involved is always better because it means more contributions. > And contributions (useful ones) are the lifeblood that moves the kernel > forwards. I agree. thanks, greg k-h