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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
	ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080529210304.GA8866@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86802c440805291355p5697c775k5f0beb8163688058@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:55:16PM -0700, Yinghai Lu wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:29:38PM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> >> I very much would like to see a kernel-firmware or something tarbal that contains
> >> a copy of all relevant "freely distributable" firmware, that users can just install
> >> independent of the actual kernel version (and that kbuild would just pick up somehow).
> >> That way we can deal with a lot more firmware without having to pollute the kernel / kernel release process
> >> (after all, the timing is different in terms of releasing) while making it easy
> >> to get the lot of it.
> >
> > There's definitely two schools of thought on this.  Sometimes firmware
> > changes (or adds) an interface.  If the kernel driver has to accommodate
> > new and old firmware, that adds complexity, and we all know that added
> > complexity means more bugs.  So I can definitely see some vendors
> > wanting to distribute their firmware with the kernel.
> >
> driver should check fw version...

Not all firmware has the ability to check the version :(

So while Arjan's goal would be nice, Matthew is right, this can't happen
for all types of firmware.

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-29 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31     ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35           ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51             ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23               ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29  0:36                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29  1:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29  2:26                     ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23                       ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47                         ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37                           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01                         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05                           ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31  1:12                         ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29  6:12               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29  6:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36               ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30  0:24                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37                   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21                   ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09                     ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  8:18               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29  2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29  5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29  6:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15       ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03                 ` Greg KH [this message]
2008-05-30  9:20                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31                 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30  9:52                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07  9:53                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11               ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14               ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  9:31               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  1:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18           ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30  1:22         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12           ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  1:25           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  2:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39           ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24               ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21                 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04                   ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:17               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:20       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:55         ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30  0:40       ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk

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