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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks?
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:15:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080601011501.199af80c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0806010752510.24919@blonde.site>

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:23:43 +0100 (BST) Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 31 May 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Sat, 31 May 2008 19:44:49 +0100 (BST) Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > All I can say so far is that I find the same as you do:
> > > SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE (after writing) takes a significant amount of time,
> > > more than half as long as when you add in SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_AFTER too.
> > > 
> > > Which make the sync_file_range call pretty pointless: your usage seems
> > > perfectly reasonable to me, but somehow we've broken its behaviour.
> > > I'll be investigating ...
> > 
> > It will block on disk queue fullness - sysrq-W will tell.
> 
> Ah, thank you.  What a disappointment, though it's understandable.
> Doesn't that very severely limit the usefulness of the system call?

A bit.  The request queue size is runtime tunable though.

I expect major users of this system call will be applications which do
small-sized overwrites into large files, mainly databases.  That is,
once the application developers discover its existence.  I'm still
getting expressions of wonder from people who I tell about the
five-year-old fadvise().

> I admit the flag isn't called SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE_WITHOUT_WAITING,
> but I don't suppose Pavel and I are the only ones misled by it.

Yup, this caveat/restriction should be in the manpage.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-01  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-30 10:26 sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks? Pavel Machek
2008-05-30 13:58 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 20:43   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-31 18:44     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01  0:39       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01  7:23         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01  8:15           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-06-01 11:40             ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 20:37               ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 22:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 22:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 22:47                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 23:11                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-02  8:43                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:18                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-02 12:11                             ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:43                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-02 12:40                   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-16 20:53                     ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-17  4:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-17 13:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-02 16:50                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-03  8:01               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-06-03  8:05                 ` Pavel Machek

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