From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks?
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080602095019.f881407e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080602114319.GI5757@kernel.dk>
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:43:20 +0200 Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 01 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > I expect major users of this system call will be applications which do
> > > > small-sized overwrites into large files, mainly databases. That is,
> > > > once the application developers discover its existence. I'm still
> > > > getting expressions of wonder from people who I tell about the
> > > > five-year-old fadvise().
> > >
> > > Hey, you have one user now, its called s2disk. But for this call to be
> > > useful, we'd need asynchronous variant... is there such thing?
> >
> > Well if you're asking the syscall to shove more data into the block
> > layer than it can concurrently handle, sure, the block layer will
> > block. It's tunable...
>
> Ehm, lets get the history right, please :-)
>
> The block layer pretty much doesn't care about how large the queue
> size is, it's largely at 128 to prevent the vm from shitting itself
> like it has done in the past (and continues to do I guess, though
> your reply leaves me wondering).
>
> So you think the vm will be fine with a huge number of requests?
> It wont go nuts scanning and reclaiming, wasting oodles of CPU
> cycles?
The VFS did screw up a couple of times with unbounded queues. It did
get fixed and it is a design objective for the writeback code to _not_
depend upon request exhaustion for proper behaviour.
But it hasn't had a large amount of testing with unbounded queues and
there may still be problems in there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-02 16:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-30 10:26 sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks? Pavel Machek
2008-05-30 13:58 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 20:43 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-31 18:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01 0:39 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 7:23 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01 8:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 11:40 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 22:47 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-02 8:43 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-02 12:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:43 ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-02 12:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-16 20:53 ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-17 4:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-17 13:38 ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-02 16:50 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-06-03 8:01 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-06-03 8:05 ` Pavel Machek
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