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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks?
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:50:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080602095019.f881407e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080602114319.GI5757@kernel.dk>

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:43:20 +0200 Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 01 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > I expect major users of this system call will be applications which do
> > > > small-sized overwrites into large files, mainly databases.  That is,
> > > > once the application developers discover its existence.  I'm still
> > > > getting expressions of wonder from people who I tell about the
> > > > five-year-old fadvise().
> > > 
> > > Hey, you have one user now, its called s2disk. But for this call to be
> > > useful, we'd need asynchronous variant... is there such thing?
> > 
> > Well if you're asking the syscall to shove more data into the block
> > layer than it can concurrently handle, sure, the block layer will
> > block.  It's tunable...
> 
> Ehm, lets get the history right, please :-)
> 
> The block layer pretty much doesn't care about how large the queue
> size is, it's largely at 128 to prevent the vm from shitting itself
> like it has done in the past (and continues to do I guess, though
> your reply leaves me wondering).
> 
> So you think the vm will be fine with a huge number of requests?
> It wont go nuts scanning and reclaiming, wasting oodles of CPU
> cycles?

The VFS did screw up a couple of times with unbounded queues.  It did
get fixed and it is a design objective for the writeback code to _not_
depend upon request exhaustion for proper behaviour.

But it hasn't had a large amount of testing with unbounded queues and
there may still be problems in there.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-02 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-30 10:26 sync_file_range(SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE) blocks? Pavel Machek
2008-05-30 13:58 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 20:43   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-31 18:44     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01  0:39       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01  7:23         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-01  8:15           ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 11:40             ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 20:37               ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 22:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 22:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 22:47                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-01 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 23:11                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-02  8:43                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:18                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-02 12:11                             ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-02 11:43                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-02 12:40                   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-06-16 20:53                     ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-17  4:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-17 13:38                         ` Rik van Riel
2008-06-02 16:50                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-06-03  8:01               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-06-03  8:05                 ` Pavel Machek

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