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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>
Cc: ioe-lkml@rameria.de, sivanich@sgi.com, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@kolivas.org, dfults@sgi.com,
	devik@cdi.cz, dino@in.ibm.com, emmanuel.pacaud@univ-poitiers.fr,
	deweerdt@free.fr, mingo@elte.hu, colpatch@us.ibm.com,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, rostedt@goodmis.org, oleg@tv-sign.ru,
	paulmck@us.ibm.com, menage@google.com, rddunlap@osdl.org,
	suresh.b.siddha@intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:47:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080603234712.ffb6708c.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48461ADA.8020303@qualcomm.com>

Max wrote:
> Ingo's case is a bad example.

Could be ... I wasn't paying close attention to the details.

If so, a good product marketing manager would first upsell the customer
to the better product, and then let falling sales guide the removal
of the old product.

That is, if you can guide most of the users of "isolcpus=" to a better
solution, in -their- view, so that they voluntary choose to migrate
to the other solution, then you get to deprecate and then remove the
old mechanism.

To the extent that you can show that the old mechanism is costing us
(maintenance, reliability, performance, impeding progress, ...) then
you get to accelerate the deprecation period, even to the point of
an immediate removal of the old feature, if it's of sufficiently little
use and great pain.

We do have one problem with letting "falling sales" guide feature
removal.  Unlike Walmart, where they know what has sold where before
the customer has even left the store, we can't easily track usage of
kernel features.  Occassionally, we can stir the pot and get some
feedback, as I've done on this thread, if we have a narrow target
audience that we have good reason is especially interested.  But that
only works occassionally.

-- 
                  I won't rest till it's the best ...
                  Programmer, Linux Scalability
                  Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.940.382.4214

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-04  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-02  2:30 Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses) Paul Jackson
2008-06-02 16:42 ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-02 18:39   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 21:41     ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-02 21:59       ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03 14:40         ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-03 17:57           ` Max Krasnyanskiy
2008-06-04 14:00           ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-04 18:07             ` Stop machine threads are getting preemted by the rt period enforcement Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:18               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 18:24                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:55                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 20:14                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 22:35 ` Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses) Ingo Oeser
2008-06-02 22:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-02 23:04     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 23:55       ` Ingo Oeser
2008-06-03  3:32         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03 23:47           ` Max Krasnyanskiy
2008-06-04  0:41             ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04  4:32               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04  4:47                 ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2008-06-04 12:18                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 17:41                   ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 18:29                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:56                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 19:34                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:58                       ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:31                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 19:37                           ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:45                             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 20:05                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:23                         ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 20:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:16                       ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 20:33                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:38                           ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:16                             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 21:17                               ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:20                                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 21:26                                   ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04  1:18             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  3:00               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 16:18             ` Ingo Oeser
2008-06-04 17:47               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03  6:03     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  9:58       ` Mark Hounschell
2008-06-04 17:26         ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:00           ` Mark Hounschell
2008-06-04 21:03             ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:26         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 20:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 21:44             ` Michael Trimarchi
2008-06-04 21:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-05 11:16                 ` Michael Trimarchi
2008-06-05 12:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-05 14:57                     ` Michael Trimarchi
2009-05-08  2:48               ` GeunSik Lim
2008-06-05 11:44             ` Mark Hounschell
2008-06-06 22:28               ` Max Krasnyanskiy

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