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From: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>
To: Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>
Cc: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Uwe.Kleine-Koenig@digi.com,
	gregkh@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:44:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080609084411.GA3223@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aec7e5c30806081812m532882e0p7ad3ef9a74f53337@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 10:12:09AM +0900, Magnus Damm wrote:
> >
> > The objection is that your code offers no advantages. What can we do
> > with your patch applied that we cannot do with uio_pdrv alone?
> 
> Yes, it is possible to have board or architecture specific hooks, but
> does that really make sense if the code is generic and can be reused
> by multiple architectures? I say it doesn't make sense at all.

So that's your answer when I ask what your code has to offer?

> 
> >> > If it's a device within the SoC, you won't use UIO for that. If you did,
> >> > your platform would depend on certain userspace software which is simply
> >> > crap. And devices outside the SoC are board specific.
> >>
> >> Why wouldn't we use UIO for device within the Soc?
> >
> > Can't you read? I've answered that in the lines above your question.
> 
> I'm sure there are blocks within the SoC that must be managed by the
> kernel, but that's not always the case. Certain things can be managed
> by user space just fine. For instance, video acceleration hardware.

There are standard kernel subsystems to handle such devices. You should
only make it a UIO driver if v4l, drm, fb doesn't work for some
important reason.

> 
> >> I've been doing
> >> that for quite some time now.
> >
> > Really? I haven't seen any such driver yet. IMO, support for everything
> > inside a SoC should be completely within the kernel, I wouldn't do it
> > with UIO. But it's up to the arch maintainer to decide that. Did you ask
> > him?
> 
> Regarding driver source, I have posted a user space test driver here:
> 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.sh.devel/3927
> 
> As for kernel driver source, you have it earlier in this thread. I'm
> planning on pushing my user space VIDIX driver upstream, but I'd like
> to get the kernel parts merged first or at least acked. This UIO
> specific piece of the puzzle unfortunately seems to take forever.
> Which really is a shame, because it's all very simple.

Why do you need that stuff that works only with irqs that are not
shared? Why don't you simply do it with uio_pdrv? Or a normal UIO
driver?
After a brief look over your userspace code, I cannot see why you need
any additions to the UIO core code.

> > Once more (for the last time): The technical argument against your patch
> > is that it offers no advantages. It makes other code more complicated,
> > less obvious, and less consistent. This might be OK if we had big
> > advantages in return, but this isn't the case.
> 
> I say:
> a) We need this for 5+ different SuperH hardware blocks.
> b) This approach can be used by most architectures.
> c) The code is architecture independent.
> 
> You say "it offers no advantages".

Yes, and your answer is the proof.

Thanks,
Hans


  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-09  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-04  6:08 [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode Magnus Damm
2008-06-04 10:11 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05  1:25   ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05  6:49     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-06  2:55       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-06 10:04         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-08 10:03           ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05  9:09     ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05  9:46       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05 11:27         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-08 10:19           ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-08 20:54             ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-09  1:12               ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-09  8:44                 ` Hans J. Koch [this message]
2008-06-09  9:01                   ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09 12:34                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  3:12                       ` Greg KH
2008-06-10  4:40                       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-10  7:10                         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  7:14                           ` [PATCH] UIO: minor style and comment fixes Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  9:07                             ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-10 13:50                           ` [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode Magnus Damm
2008-06-10 17:32                           ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 19:24                             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09  4:09               ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09  7:57               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09  8:00                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09  9:54                 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-09 12:32                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09 14:20                     ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-10  6:11                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  9:01                         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05 11:33         ` Uwe Kleine-König

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