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From: "Uwe Kleine-König" <Uwe.Kleine-Koenig@digi.com>
To: "Hans J. Koch" <hjk@linutronix.de>
Cc: Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"gregkh@suse.de" <gregkh@suse.de>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"lethal@linux-sh.org" <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:11:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080610061121.GA22814@digi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080609142007.GH3223@local>

Hello Hans,

> > > > - Either rely on userspace to enable the irq before reading/polling or
> > > >   assert that in kernel space.  See also
> > > >   http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/684683/focus=689635
> > > >   (I asked tglx about the race condition via irc, but without a response
> > > >   so far.)
> > >
> > > There are two problems:
> > > 1) If the hardware is designed in such a broken way that userspace needs
> > > a read-modify-write operation on a combined irq mask/status register to
> > > re-enable the irq, then this is racy against a new interrupt that occurs
> > > simultaneously. We have seen this on two devices so far.
> > You didn't understand what I want.  (Probably because I choosed a poor
> > wording.)
> >
> > IMHO it should be asserted that irqs are on before waiting for the irq
> > in poll and read.  So I suggest to call irqcontrol(ON) before doing so.
> > This should allow to work with that kind of hardware, right?
> 
> Yes. But userspace can simply write() a 1 to /dev/uioX to achieve the
> same result. This would clearly show what's happening. Remember, this is
> only needed for certain (broken) hardware. If we hide some automagic irq
> enabling in the kernel, it'll become less obvious and might even have
> some bad side effects. I want to avoid this kind of trickery, especially
> as it is not needed. Userspace should use write() to control irqs. It's
> like this with any normal UIO driver, and we shouldn't have a different
> handling in uio_pdrv.
> Think of a chip that's directly connected to the bus on some embedded
> board. You use uio_pdrv to handle it. Then the very same chip appears on
> a PCI card in a normal PC. You write a normal UIO driver for it. The
> userspace part of both drivers could be exactly the same. But if
> uio_pdrv automagically reenabled the irq, we would need different
> handling in userspace, without reasons obvious to the user.
Note that my intention is to enable irqs in uio.c, not uio_pdrv.c.  So
you could still use the same driver for a PCI card and similar a memory
mapped chip.

Probably I should show some code, but I think I won't have time today to
do so and then I will be in vacation for two weeks.  So this has to
wait.
 
> > > > The last point is a bit independent from that mode, but applies to
> > > > devices that have a irqcontrol function in general.
> > > >
> > > > Apart from the general things above, I'd change a few things in the
> > > > implementation:
> > > >
> > > >  - call dev_info->irqcontrol(OFF) in the handler (instead of
> > > >    disable_irq()) and demand that calling this is idempotent.
> > > >    With this change it isn't uio_pdrv specific any more and could go to
> > > >    uio.c.
> > >
> > > Why should we want to do this? You save five lines of irq handler code
> > > by introducing the need for an irqcontrol() function.
> > Taking Magnus' patch there is a default irqcontrol() function that does
> > the right thing in this case.  This should probably go to uio_pdrv.c.
> 
> Just doing irq_disable() limits it to irqs that are not shared. If there
> was a huge advantage, I'd think about it. But as it is, I'll never
> accept that. Magnus' patch is not needed, not even by himself.
I don't suggest to *use* that function per default, just provide it and
allow board support to use it as a call back.

> > > I already said that in the discussion with Magnus, I don't see any
> > > advantage in this. Magnus cannot tell me either, he just keeps telling
> > > me "but we can do it" over and over again.
> > I think the benefit is to add some code to uio_pdrv and/or uio and in
> > turn save some code in board support code.
> 
> Yes, but the savings (if any) are small compared with the disadvantages.
Currently I don't see any disadvantages.  IMHO we should wait on a new
version of Magnus' patch.  Then we can discuss this more effective
referering to code.
 
Best regards
Uwe

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-10  6:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-04  6:08 [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode Magnus Damm
2008-06-04 10:11 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05  1:25   ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05  6:49     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-06  2:55       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-06 10:04         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-08 10:03           ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05  9:09     ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05  9:46       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-05 11:27         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-08 10:19           ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-08 20:54             ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-09  1:12               ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-09  8:44                 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-09  9:01                   ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09 12:34                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  3:12                       ` Greg KH
2008-06-10  4:40                       ` Magnus Damm
2008-06-10  7:10                         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  7:14                           ` [PATCH] UIO: minor style and comment fixes Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-10  9:07                             ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-10 13:50                           ` [PATCH] uio_pdrv: Unique IRQ Mode Magnus Damm
2008-06-10 17:32                           ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 19:24                             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09  4:09               ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09  7:57               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09  8:00                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-09  9:54                 ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-09 12:32                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2008-06-09 14:20                     ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-10  6:11                       ` Uwe Kleine-König [this message]
2008-06-10  9:01                         ` Hans J. Koch
2008-06-05 11:33         ` Uwe Kleine-König

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