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From: Matthew Dharm <mdharm-kernel@one-eyed-alien.net>
To: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	usb-storage@lists.one-eyed-alien.net,
	Tomas Styblo <tripie@cpan.org>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [usb-storage] [PATCH] JMicron JM20337 USB-SATA data corruption bugfix - device 152d:2338
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:00:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080730200033.GD7578@one-eyed-alien.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4890C72D.7040604@shaw.ca>

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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 01:55:25PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote:
> Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Robert Hancock wrote:
> > 
> >> It remains an issue, though, that if there's no underflow, if the device 
> >> reports an error in the CSW but doesn't provide sense data, we assume 
> >> nothing bad happened and don't retry. That definitely does not seem 
> >> correct. The device is not supposed to do this, but with how crappily 
> >> some of these devices are designed we should be more defensive.
> > 
> > The problem is, what can you do?  The device has said that something 
> > was wrong, but it hasn't told you what.  Without knowing what went 
> > wrong, you can't know how to recover.

Yes and no.  If ASC/ASCQ is clear, then it's telling you that nothing is
wrong.  The device is contradicting itself. That doesn't really help us
here, but it's a point I like to be clear on.

> > I suppose in such cases we could simply report that the command failed
> > completely.
> 
> I think that is what we need to do. The SCSI/block layers should retry 
> the command or report a failure to userspace. Above all else we can't 
> just continue on our merry way and assume success, otherwise data will 
> get silently corrupted.

The code path to supress the reporting of an error when auto-sense shows no
ASC/ASCQ was added for a reason.  That reason has likely been lost to time,
but I worry about devices that are out there that rely on the current
behavior to function properly....

Matt

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Matthew Dharm                              Home: mdharm-usb@one-eyed-alien.net 
Maintainer, Linux USB Mass Storage Driver

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-30 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.eWQqoO1e4Mdhu8SK5jzMFAI/3NU@ifi.uio.no>
2008-07-21 19:37 ` [PATCH] JMicron JM20337 USB-SATA data corruption bugfix - device 152d:2338 Robert Hancock
2008-07-22  2:37   ` Alan Stern
2008-07-22  9:03     ` Tomas Styblo
2008-07-23  2:38       ` Alan Stern
2008-07-23 23:20         ` Robert Hancock
2008-07-24  3:42           ` Alan Stern
2008-07-30 19:55             ` Robert Hancock
2008-07-30 20:00               ` Matthew Dharm [this message]
2008-07-30 20:46                 ` [usb-storage] " Robert Hancock
2008-07-30 21:18                 ` Alan Stern
2008-07-30 21:07               ` Alan Stern
2008-08-01 21:15                 ` Alex Buell
2008-08-01 22:22                   ` Alex Buell
2008-08-02  2:32                     ` Robert Hancock
2008-08-02 23:49                     ` Alan Stern
2008-08-03  9:07                       ` Alex Buell
2008-08-04 16:48                         ` Alan Stern
2008-08-04 20:17                           ` Alex Buell
2008-08-04 20:45                             ` Alan Stern
2008-09-02 12:10                               ` Thiago Galesi
2008-09-02 15:02                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-09-02 16:07                                   ` Thiago Galesi
2008-09-02 19:19                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-09-02 20:16                                       ` Thiago Galesi
2008-09-02 21:06                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-09-04 12:09                                           ` Thiago Galesi
2008-09-04 14:03                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-09-04 15:17                                               ` Thiago Galesi
2008-09-04 15:26                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-07-25  8:44           ` Tomas Styblo
2008-07-25  8:54             ` Robert Hancock
2008-07-22  5:11   ` Tomas Styblo
2008-07-22  5:31     ` Robert Hancock
2008-07-22  6:11       ` Tomas Styblo
2008-07-22  8:45         ` Robert Hancock
2008-07-24  6:15           ` Alex Buell
2008-07-29 21:09           ` Alex Buell
2008-07-29 22:33             ` [usb-storage] " Matthew Dharm

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