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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, marcin.slusarz@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	rostedt@goodmis.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: robustify printk
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:13:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080808141340.a191c12e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808081352490.3462@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > 
> > Why are we fixing this, btw?  The problem has been there forever and
> > people who hack the wakeup code could/should know about it anyway.  All
> > they need to do is to disable klogd during development.  Did the
> > problem recently become worse for some reason?
> 
> It hasn't beemn there forever at all.
> 
> Yes, there used to be reliance on the actual _scheduler_ locks. Doign a 
> wake_up() would cause runqueue locks etc to be taken.
> 
> But the xtime deadlock is fairly recent, and only happened with CFQ, I 
> think.
> 
> And _that_ is the irritating one. I personally wouldn't mind at all if 
> there is some printk() dependency on the core runqueue rq->lock or on the 
> RCU locking thing. But look at xtime_lock. THAT is a disaster.
> 
> Just grep for it. 
> 
> 

<actually reads stuff>

Yes, not being able to do printk inside xtime_lock would be a disaster.
We decided that about 1.5 years ago last time we added then fixed this
bug (at the time I think I identified multiple already-present printks
inside xtime_lock, on error paths).  Did we go and re-add this bug recently
or did we just never fix it?   Doesn't matter, I guess.

> So I personally actually like the RCU version best. Yes, it still depends 
> on really core locking. But it's really core and low-level and _confined_ 
> locking, where a comment in a single place would probably suffice. Compare 
> that to all the places where we take the xtime_lock for writing!

Sure, the cant-printk-in-rcupreempt.c limitation should be quite
acceptable.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-08 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-24 12:24 [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 12:24 ` [PATCH 1/2] printk_nowakeup() Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 12:24 ` [PATCH 2/2] time: xtime lock vs printk Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 14:21   ` Daniel Walker
2008-03-24 14:31 ` [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock Marcin Slusarz
2008-03-24 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-03-24 18:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-24 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 13:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 13:46         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 16:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 17:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 17:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 17:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 17:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 18:14                   ` [PATCH] printk: robustify printk Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 18:30                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 18:33                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 19:14                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 19:21                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 19:37                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 19:49                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 20:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:37                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-08 20:46                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08 20:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-08 21:13                                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-08-08 20:50                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-08 19:47                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 10:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 11:03                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 11:22                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 11:42                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 14:15                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-11 14:29                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 14:55                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-11 12:02                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 12:14                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 11:04                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-11 11:51                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 12:36                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-20 12:40                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-08-20 12:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-20 13:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-11 16:09                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-11 13:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:30                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 20:20                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 21:35                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 23:02                     ` David Miller
2008-08-09  0:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-08 17:52                 ` [PATCH 0/2] printk vs rq->lock and xtime lock Steven Rostedt
2008-03-24 18:16   ` Linus Torvalds

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