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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] x86_64 UV: Use blinking LED for heartbeat display
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:02:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080811160235.GC4524@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080808005652.543469000@polaris-admin.engr.sgi.com>


* Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com> wrote:

> +#ifdef CONFIG_CLOCKSOURCE_WATCHDOG
> +static void uv_display_heartbeat(void)
> +{
> +	int cpu;
> +
> +	uv_hub_info->led_heartbeat_count = nr_cpu_ids;
> +
> +	for_each_online_cpu(cpu) {
> +		struct uv_hub_info_s *hub = uv_cpu_hub_info(cpu);
> +
> +		if (hub->led_heartbeat_count > 0) {
> +			uv_set_led_bits_on(cpu, LED_CPU_BLINK,
> +						LED_CPU_HEARTBEAT);
> +			--hub->led_heartbeat_count;
> +		}

this too is a bad idea. Imagine 16K cores and assume that each such 
iteration takes a few usecs (we write cross CPU) and you've got a 
GHz-ish CPU. That can easily be _milliseconds_ of delay (or more) - and 
in a function (the clocksource watchdog) that is all about precise 
timings.

It is also very non-preemptable.

Why not have a separate per cpu kthread for this that does this in a 
preemptable manner?

Also, why not let each CPU's heartbeat be set in a hierarchy instead of 
by _all_ CPUs. That way you get a nice constant-ish overhead instead of 
the current crazy quadratic(nr_cpus) behavior. I.e. let each CPU be 
monitored by its neighbor (cpu_id + 1), by it's second-order neighbor 
(cpu_id + 2), third-order neighbor (cpu_id + 4), etc.

That still gives pretty good coverage in practice while avoiding the 
quadratic nature.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-11 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-08  0:56 [PATCH 0/6] SGI UV: Provide a LED driver and some System Activity Indicators Mike Travis
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86_64 UV: Provide a LED driver for UV Systems Mike Travis
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86_64 UV: Use LED to indicate CPU is active Mike Travis
2008-08-11 15:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13  9:56     ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-25 17:53       ` Mike Travis
2008-08-25 17:49     ` Mike Travis
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86_64 UV: Use blinking LED for heartbeat display Mike Travis
2008-08-11 16:02   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-08-13  9:57     ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-26 20:53       ` Mike Travis
2008-08-27 21:38         ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-25 17:55     ` Mike Travis
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 4/6] ia64 UV: Provide a LED driver for UV Systems Mike Travis
2008-08-08  6:07   ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 5/6] ia64 UV: Use LED to indicate CPU is active Mike Travis
2008-08-08  0:56 ` [PATCH 6/6] ia64 UV: Use blinking LED for heartbeat display Mike Travis

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