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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] smp_call_function: use rwlocks on queues rather than rcu
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:43:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080826134348.GE7097@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1219679492.8515.77.camel@twins>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 05:51:32PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 10:46 -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >
> > > If we combine these two cases, and flip the counter as soon as we've
> > > enqueued one callback, unless we're already waiting for a grace period
> > > to end - which gives us a longer window to collect callbacks.
> > > 
> > > And then the rcu_read_unlock() can do:
> > > 
> > >   if (dec_and_zero(my_counter) && my_index == dying)
> > >     raise_softirq(RCU)
> > > 
> > > to fire off the callback stuff.
> > > 
> > > /me ponders - there must be something wrong with that...
> > > 
> > > Aaah, yes, the dec_and_zero is non trivial due to the fact that its a
> > > distributed counter. Bugger..
> > 
> > Then lets make it per cpu. If we get the cpu ops in then dec_and_zero would be
> > very cheap.
> 
> Hmm, perhaps that might work for classic RCU, as that disables
> preemption and thus the counters should always be balanced.

Unless you use a pair of global counters (like QRCU), you will still
need to check a large number of counters for zero.  I suppose that one
approach would be to do something like QRCU, but with some smallish
number of counter pairs, each of which is shared by a moderate group of
CPUs.  For example, for 4,096 CPUs, use 64 pairs of counters, each
shared by 64 CPUs.  My guess is that the rcu_read_lock() overhead would
make this be a case of "Holy overhead, Batman!!!", but then again, I
cannot claim to be an expert on 4,096-CPU machines.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-26 13:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-22  0:29 [PATCH 2/2] smp_call_function: use rwlocks on queues rather than rcu Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-22  1:53 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-22  6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-22  7:06   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-08-22  7:12     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-22  9:12       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-22 14:01     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-22 15:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 17:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-22 18:29           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 18:33             ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-22 18:35               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-23  7:34                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-24  4:55                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-24  9:01                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-22 22:40               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 18:36             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-22 19:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 20:03                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-22 20:53                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 10:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-25 15:12                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 15:22                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-25 15:46                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-25 15:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-26 13:43                               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2008-08-26 14:07                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 15:16                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 20:04                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-26  5:13                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 13:40                               ` [PATCH 2/2] smp_call_function: use rwlocks on queues rather?than rcu Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 15:44                         ` [PATCH 2/2] smp_call_function: use rwlocks on queues rather than rcu Christoph Lameter
2008-08-25 20:05                           ` Paul E. McKenney

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