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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stefani Seibold <stefani@seibold.net>,
	Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:09:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080828110923.GL26610@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080828105408.GA4488@elte.hu>

> Even if the system has multiple CPUs, and even if just a single CPU is 
> fully utilized by an RT task, without the rt-limit the system will still 
> lock up in practice due to various other factors: workqueues and tasks 
> being 'stuck' on CPUs that host an RT hog. 

The load balancer will not notice that a particular CPU is busy
with real time tasks?

> While there's obviously CPU 
> time available on other CPUs, you cannot run 'top', the desktop will 
> freeze, work flows of the system can be stuck, etc, etc..

I had such a situation at least once in the past (not due
run away RT but due a kernel bug) and even with 2 out of 4 CPUs blocked 
the system was still quite usable. top/kill definitely worked.  The system 
didn't have a desktop, but I didn't notice many problems in shell use. 
Ok it's just one sample.

That said I don't think having such a limit by default is a bad idea actually.

Just handling it in the scheduler anyways is also probably good because
it can happen even due to other issues than just run away RT tasks.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28 11:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-19 10:33 [PATCH 0/6] sched: rt-bandwidth fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 1/6] sched: rt-bandwidth for user grouping interface Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 2/6] sched: rt-bandwidth accounting fix Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 18:33   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-19 18:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 3/6] sched: rt-bandwidth group disable fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 4/6] sched: extract walk_tg_tree() Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 5/6] sched: rt-bandwidth fixes Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 10:33 ` [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-19 11:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:42       ` [PATCH] sched: extract walk_tg_tree(), fix Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 11:17     ` [PATCH 6/6] sched: disabled rt-bandwidth by default Nick Piggin
2008-08-19 12:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-19 18:15         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-20 11:56         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26  9:00           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26  9:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-26  9:44               ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 10:29                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-26 11:03                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26  9:54               ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 11:09                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-08-26 11:27                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 12:50                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-26 13:31                       ` Stefani Seibold
2008-08-26 17:55                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-26 21:37                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-08-26 22:49                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 10:08                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 10:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:09                             ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-08-28 11:19                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 11:28                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:50                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:00                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 12:14                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:18                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 16:19                                   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-28 16:25                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 16:33                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 12:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 13:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 13:45                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 12:29                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 10:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-26 13:47                   ` Mark Hounschell
2008-08-26 23:00                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 18:55                       ` Chris Friesen
2008-08-28 14:15     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 14:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 14:36         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 15:12           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 15:34             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 15:50               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 17:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 18:04                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 18:10                     ` Darren Hart
2008-08-28 18:16                   ` Mark Hounschell
2008-08-28 18:42                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 18:53                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29  7:56                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-08-29  8:06                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-29  8:47                             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-08-28 19:39                       ` Stefani Seibold
2008-08-28 20:53                       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-30  6:33                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28 16:33           ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-08-28 17:22             ` John Kacur
2008-08-28 16:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-28 16:15         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-28 16:29           ` Peter Zijlstra

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