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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>,
	Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix TSC calibration issues
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:09:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080904050929.GA1678@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809032141160.3378@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:53:35PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> >
> > Basically, I would do this :
> > 
> >     pit1 = readpit();
> >     while (readpit() == pit1);
> >     t1 = rdtsc(); // precise beginning of tick 0
> >     while (readpit() != pit1 - 5000);
> >     t2 = rdtsc(); // precise beginning of tick 5000
> 
> There's a few caveats here:
> 
>  - the "readpit()" has to read without actually latching the value
> 
>    latching the PIT value will stop counting.
> 
>  - and all the docs say that you have to be careful about reading the PIT 
>    without latching it because the two 8-bit accesses aren't atomic.

Ah yes you're right, I remember having been doing crappy stuff like re-reading
and checking for difference bigger than 1.

> so the above will work in practice, but there are dangers.
> 
> The best way to fix most of the dangers is probably to only care about the 
> *high* byte, so that it doesn't matter if the low byte doesn't match the 
> high byte.
> 
> So you could probably change your version to wait for 4096 cycles (a 
> change of 16 in the high byte):
> 
> 	static unsigned char read_pit_msb(void)
> 	{
> 		/* Read but throw away the LSB */
> 		inb(0x42);
> 		return inb(0x42);
> 	}
> 
> 	..
> 	/* PIT ch2: square wave, full 16-bit count */
> 	outb(0xb6, 0x43);
> 	outb(0, 0x42);
> 	outb(0, 0x42);
> 	..
> 
> 	unsigned char pit = read_pit_msb();
> 	/* Wait until the MSB changes */
> 	while (read_pit_msb() == pit1);
> 	t1 = rdtsc();
> 	while ((unsigned char) (pit - read_pit_msb()) < 9);
> 	t2 = rdtsc();
> 
> and it might work out ok without explicit latching, and without having to 
> worry about low/high bytes being out of sync.

I like this variation.

> > If someone wants to test this, I'd be interested in the number of
> > ticks required to get a good accuracy, I bet that even with a few
> > hundred ones it's already precise by a few ppm (about the precision
> > of the input clock in fact).
> 
> I actually tested a patch with a counter value of just 1024, and I got the 
> right answer. 
> 
> But if the busy loops aren't busy (due to MSI or virtualization), then all 
> those things fly out the window.

100% agreed, though the problem is already the same with any calibration code,
with more or less sensitivity.

Willy


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-04  5:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-31 22:54 Regression in 2.6.27 caused by commit bfc0f59 Larry Finger
2008-09-01 11:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 15:37   ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 17:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 17:44   ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 18:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 19:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 20:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 21:30           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 22:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 23:24                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02  6:37                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-02 12:21                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 22:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 23:16             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02  3:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02  3:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02  4:54                   ` Larry Finger
2008-09-02  9:17                   ` Alan Cox
2008-09-02 12:15                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 15:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 18:14                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 18:41                         ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-02 21:16                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 18:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 21:13                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-02 22:21                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 23:10                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-03  1:49                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-02 22:54                           ` [PATCH] Fix TSC calibration issues Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-03  2:14                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-03  9:11                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04  1:14                                 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04  2:56                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04  3:16                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04  3:59                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04  4:10                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04  4:20                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04  4:27                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-04  4:25                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-09-04  4:53                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04  5:09                                             ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2008-09-04  1:18                                 ` [PATCH] Change warning message in TSC calibration Alok Kataria
2008-09-03  2:51                             ` [PATCH] Fix TSC calibration issues Larry Finger
2008-09-03  4:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-03  4:34                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-09-05 13:45                       ` Regression in 2.6.27 caused by commit bfc0f59 Mark Lord
2008-09-02 17:17                 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-09-01 19:36       ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 20:09         ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 20:23           ` Larry Finger
2008-09-01 20:45             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-01 18:42     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-01 19:08       ` Thomas Gleixner

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