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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
	Arjan van de Veen <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC patch 0/4] TSC calibration improvements
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:33:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080904213350.GA15678@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0809041403450.3117@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > hm, unless i'm missing something i think here we still have a small 
> > window for an SMI or some virtualization delay to slip in and cause 
> > massive inaccuracy: if the delay happens _after_ the last 
> > pit_expect_msb() and _before_ the external get_cycles() call. Right?
> 
> Yes. I had the extra pit_expect_msb() originally, but decided that 
> basically a single-instruction race for somethign that ran without any 
> MSI for 15ms was a bit pointless.

the race is wider than that i think: all it takes an SMI at the last PIO 
access, so the window should be 1 usec, against a 15000 usecs period. 
That's 1 out of 15,000 boxes coming up with totally incorrect 
calibration.

we also might have a very theoretical race of an SMI taking exactly 65 
msecs so that the whole PIT wraps around and fools the fastpath - the 
chance for that would be around 1:300 - assuming we only have to hit the 
right MSB with a ~200 usecs precision). That assumes equal distribution 
of SMI costs which they certainly dont have - most of them are much less 
than 60 msecs. So i dont think it's an issue in practice - on real hw.

But it's still a possibility unless i'm missing something. We could 
protect against that case by reading the IRQ0-pending bit and making 
sure it's not pending after we have done the closing TSC readout.

> But adding another pit_expect_msb() is certainly not wrong.

ok, i kept that bit.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-04 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-04 15:18 [RFC patch 0/4] TSC calibration improvements Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 15:18 ` [RFC patch 1/4] x86: TSC: define the PIT latch value separate Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 15:18 ` [RFC patch 2/4] x86: TSC: separate hpet/pmtimer calculation out Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 15:18 ` [RFC patch 3/4] x86: TSC: use one set of reference variables Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 15:18 ` [RFC patch 4/4] x86: TSC make the calibration loop smarter Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-04 15:36 ` [RFC patch 0/4] TSC calibration improvements Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 15:45   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 16:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 16:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 16:36         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 17:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 18:07           ` Alan Cox
2008-09-04 18:26             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 18:30               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-04 20:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 20:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 20:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 21:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 21:21                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 21:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 21:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 21:39                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-04 21:33                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-09-05 22:18                         ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-05 22:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 20:03                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 20:29                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 20:37                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 20:50                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 20:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 21:15                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 21:22                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 21:30                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 22:40                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-06 20:58                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 21:10                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-07  6:01                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-09-06 20:52                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 20:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 21:07                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 21:15                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-06 21:26                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-06 21:32                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 20:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 21:38                 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04 21:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 22:09                     ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04 17:39     ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04 17:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-04 18:31         ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-04 18:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-04 21:00   ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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