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From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	od@novell.com
Subject: Re: Unified tracing buffer
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:18:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080919231841.GB3456@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809191433w246c0283l55a57c196664ce77@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -


On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 02:33:42PM -0700, Martin Bligh wrote:

> During kernel summit and Plumbers conference, Linus and others
> expressed a desire for a unified tracing buffer system for multiple
> tracing applications (eg ftrace, lttng, systemtap, blktrace, etc) to
> use.

OK.


> [...]
> STORAGE
> -------
> 
> We will support multiple buffers for different tracing systems, with
> separate names, event id spaces. [...]

OK.  This is completely orthogonal to ...


> INPUT_FUNCTIONS
> ---------------
> 
> allocate_buffer (name, size)
>         return buffer_handle
> 
> register_event (buffer_handle, event_id, print_function)
>         You can pass in a requested event_id from a fixed set, and
> will be given it, or an error
>         0 means allocate me one dynamically
>         returns event_id     (or -E_ERROR)
> 
> record_event (buffer_handle, event_id, length, *buf)

How do you imagine record_event() being used from the point of view of
the instrumented module?  Is it to be protected by some sort of test
of the control variable?  Is the little binary event buffer supposed
to be constructed unconditionally?  (On the stack?)


You should compare this to markers and tracepoints.  It sounds to me like
this is not that different from

     trace_mark (event_name, "%*b", length, buf);

where the goofy "%*b" could be some magic to identify the proposed
"everything is a short blob" event record type.

By the way, systemtap supports formatted printing that generates
binary records via directives like "%4b" for 4-byte ints.  I wonder if
that would be a suitable facility for this and/or markers to allow
instrumentation code to *generate* those binary event records.


Do you believe that fans of tracepoints would support a single
void*/length struct parametrization?



> Data will be output via debugfs, and provide the following output streams:
> 
> /debugfs/tracing/<name>/buffers/text
>     clear text stream (will merge the per-cpu streams via insertion
> sort, and use the print functions)

Can you spell out this part a little more?  I wonder because at the
tracing miniconf on Wednesday we talked about systemtap's likely need
to *consume* these trace events as they are being generated.

If systemtap can only see them as a binary blob or a rendered ascii
string, they would not be as useful as if the record was decomposable
in kernel.  Perhaps the event-type-registration call can declare the
binary struct, like a perl pack directive ... or a marker (binary)
format string.


> CONTROL
> 
> Sysfs style tree under debugfs
> 
> /debugfs/tracing/<name>/buffers/enabed         <--- binary value
> 
> /debugfs/tracing/<name>/<event1>
> /debugfs/tracing/<name>/<event2>
>     etc ...
>     provides a way to enable/disable events, see what's available, and
> what's enabled.

This sort of control is (or should be) already available for markers.


- FChE

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-19 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-19 21:33 Unified tracing buffer Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 21:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-09-19 21:57   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 22:41     ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:19       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-20  8:10         ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-20  8:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:40           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  8:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-19 22:28 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:09   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 23:18 ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2008-09-20  8:50   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:37     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 13:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 14:54         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-22 18:45           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 21:39             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  3:27               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  0:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 14:07   ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 14:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 16:29       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 16:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 20:50           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  3:05           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:49       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  5:25       ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23 18:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 18:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-23 18:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 14:00         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 17:55           ` K.Prasad
2008-09-23 18:27             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24  3:50           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-24  5:42             ` K.Prasad
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] current relay cleanup patchset Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] relay - Clean up relay_switch_subbuf() and make waking up consumers optional Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] relay - Make the relay sub-buffer switch code replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] relay - Add channel flags to relay, remove global callback param Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] relay - Add reserved param to switch-subbuf, in preparation for non-pad write/reserve Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] relay - Map the first sub-buffer at the end of the buffer, for temporary convenience Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] relay - Replace relay_reserve/relay_write with non-padded versions Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] relay - Remove padding-related code from relay_read()/relay_splice_read() et al Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:08             ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] relay - Clean up remaining padding-related junk Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 1/3] relay - clean up subbuf switch Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 2/3] relay - make subbuf switch replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:17         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 3/3] relay - add channel flags Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24  3:57           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-20  0:26 ` Unified tracing buffer Marcel Holtmann
2008-09-20  9:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:55   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 14:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-22 18:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-02 15:28         ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 16:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 18:37             ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:10               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 19:25                 ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 20:25                     ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 21:52                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-22  3:09     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-22  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23  2:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 13:57 ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 19:45 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 20:13   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 22:25     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:11       ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  0:04         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:16       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  0:05         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  0:12           ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 14:49             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 15:04               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 15:30                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 16:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 17:04                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 18:59                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 19:36                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:38                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 19:41                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:50                                 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 21:02                                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 20:08                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 15:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  0:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  1:26             ` Roland Dreier
2008-09-23  1:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  2:02               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:26                 ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  2:31                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:36                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  4:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:43                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:10                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  4:17                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 15:23                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 10:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 14:12                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:30             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:06             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 14:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 15:02         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-23 15:21         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 18:28             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  3:33 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  3:47   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  5:04     ` Andi Kleen

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