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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	od@novell.com, "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Unified tracing buffer
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:52:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080922185209.GC6349@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080920071232.46908040@infradead.org>

* Arjan van de Ven (arjan@infradead.org) wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:55:48 -0400
> Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org> wrote:
> 
> > How about :
> > 
> >   trace_mark(ftrace_evname, "size %lu binary %pW",
> >     sizeof(mystruct), mystruct);
> >   or
> >   trace_mark(sched_wakeup, "target_pid %ld", task->pid);
> > 
> > Note the namespacing with buffers being "ftrace" and "sched" here.
> > 
> > That would encapsulate the whole
> >   - Event ID registration
> >   - Event type registration
> >   - Sending data out
> >   - Enabling the event source directly at the source
> > 
> > We can then export the markers through a debugfs file and let userland
> > enable them one by one and possibly connect systemtap filters on them
> > (one table of registered filters, one table for the markers, a command
> > file to connect/disconnect filters to/from markers).
> 
> I would like to ask for the following from the start: have a field for
> a longer description of the marker that describes it's usage and
> context. Getting this there from the start is critical, because only
> when adding the marker point do people still really remember why/what
> (and having to type a good description also helps them to realize if
> this is the right point or not). This can then be exposed to the user
> so he has a standing chance of knowing what the marker is about.
> 
> It also has a standing chance of being updated when the code changes
> this way
> 

I agree, and I think it might be required in both markers and
tracepoints.

Given that tracepoints are declared in a global header
(DECLARE_TRACE()), I would add this kind of description here. Tracepoint
uses within the kernel code (statements like :
  trace_sched_switch(prev, next);
added to the scheduler) would therefore be tied to the description
without having to contain it in the core kernel code.

Markers, on the other hand, could become the "event description"
interface which is exported to userspace. Considering that, I guess it's
as important to let a precise description follow the markers.

Mathieu


> -- 
> Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
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> 

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Mathieu Desnoyers
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-19 21:33 Unified tracing buffer Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 21:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-09-19 21:57   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 22:41     ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:19       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-20  8:10         ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-20  8:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:40           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  8:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-19 22:28 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:09   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 23:18 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-20  8:50   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:37     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 13:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 14:54         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-22 18:45           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 21:39             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  3:27               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  0:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 14:07   ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 14:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 16:29       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 16:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 20:50           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  3:05           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:49       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  5:25       ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23 18:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 18:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-23 18:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 14:00         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 17:55           ` K.Prasad
2008-09-23 18:27             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24  3:50           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-24  5:42             ` K.Prasad
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] current relay cleanup patchset Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] relay - Clean up relay_switch_subbuf() and make waking up consumers optional Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] relay - Make the relay sub-buffer switch code replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] relay - Add channel flags to relay, remove global callback param Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] relay - Add reserved param to switch-subbuf, in preparation for non-pad write/reserve Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] relay - Map the first sub-buffer at the end of the buffer, for temporary convenience Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] relay - Replace relay_reserve/relay_write with non-padded versions Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] relay - Remove padding-related code from relay_read()/relay_splice_read() et al Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:08             ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] relay - Clean up remaining padding-related junk Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 1/3] relay - clean up subbuf switch Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 2/3] relay - make subbuf switch replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:17         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 3/3] relay - add channel flags Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24  3:57           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-20  0:26 ` Unified tracing buffer Marcel Holtmann
2008-09-20  9:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:55   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 14:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-22 18:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2008-10-02 15:28         ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 16:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 18:37             ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:10               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 19:25                 ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 20:25                     ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 21:52                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-22  3:09     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-22  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23  2:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 13:57 ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 19:45 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 20:13   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 22:25     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:11       ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  0:04         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:16       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  0:05         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  0:12           ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 14:49             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 15:04               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 15:30                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 16:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 17:04                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 18:59                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 19:36                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:38                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 19:41                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:50                                 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 21:02                                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 20:08                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 15:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  0:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  1:26             ` Roland Dreier
2008-09-23  1:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  2:02               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:26                 ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  2:31                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:36                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  4:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:43                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:10                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  4:17                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 15:23                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 10:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 14:12                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:30             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:06             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 14:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 15:02         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-23 15:21         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 18:28             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  3:33 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  3:47   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  5:04     ` Andi Kleen

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