From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
David Wilder <dwilder@us.ibm.com>,
hch@lst.de, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@comcast.net>,
Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:36:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080925153635.GA12840@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809250825u567d3680w682899c111e10ed6@mail.gmail.com>
* Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com> wrote:
> > And I don't think normalizing later is in any way more fundamentally
> > hard. It just means that you do part of the expensive things after
> > you have gathered the trace, rather than during.
>
> Agree with you on doing the expensive stuff later. If we wanted to get
> something that'd pack down to a couple fewer bits, and approximate ns,
> we could always >> 1 if you were > 2GHz, and >> 2 if you where > 4GHz,
> etc. which is at least cheap.
... which is exactly what sched_clock() does, combined with a
multiplication. (which is about as expensive as normal linear
arithmetics on most CPUs - i.e. in the 1 cycle range)
Normalizing has the advantage that we dont have to worry about it ever
again. Not about a changing scale due to cpufreq, slowing down or
speeding up TSCs due to C2/C3. We have so much TSC breakage all across
the spectrum that post-processing it is a nightmare in practice. Plus we
want sched_clock() to be fast anyway.
in the distant future we not only will have constant-TSC but it wont
stop in C2/C3 either at a whim (which they do right now, messing up
timestamps). At that stage fast time readout it will be so sane that CPU
makers should really provide a nanosec readout - it's easy to do a
simple multiplicator and hide the few cycles multiplicator latency to
RDTSC (this is continuous time after all so it's easy for the hw).
Hm?
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-25 15:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-24 5:10 [RFC PATCH 0/3] An Unified tracing buffer (attempt) Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 15:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 15:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-24 15:47 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 16:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:56 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 18:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:49 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 17:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:37 ` David Miller
2008-09-24 20:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:51 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-24 21:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:03 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 14:33 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 15:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:25 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 15:36 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-09-25 16:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 16:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 19:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-27 17:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-27 18:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:15 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 20:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 20:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 22:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 23:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 23:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 14:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-25 22:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 1:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 1:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 1:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 1:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 1:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 2:07 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 2:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 5:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 10:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 17:54 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 18:04 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:56 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 22:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 16:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] ftrace: combine some print formating Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ftrace: hack in the ring buffer Steven Rostedt
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